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Thread: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

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    2. They see the justice system as doling out vengeance and not justice. Personally I think that is a inmature view of the world.
    They see the justice system as a personal tool, as opposed to a societal tool. Justice, for society, means two things: public safety (incarceration) and redemption (rehabilitation). Those two things justify the very existence of society.

    Only a victim of a crime can come to peace about whatever has happened to them.
    Criminal justice for an individual victim can never be achieved (it is upon them to be made whole) and often takes the form of emotion-based vengeance.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    They see the justice system as a personal tool, as opposed to a societal tool. Justice, for society, means two things: public safety (incarceration) and redemption (rehabilitation). Those two things justify the very existence of society.



    Criminal justice for an individual victim can never be achieved (it is upon them to be made whole) and often takes the form of emotion-based vengeance.
    Vengeance doesn't solve anything and honestly isn't going to make one feel better.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    Vengeance doesn't solve anything and honestly isn't going to make one feel better.
    We know that, but it seems many do not.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Famous Atheist Richard Dawkins says his country, England, IS a 'Christian Country'.
    It's the Same in that respect here.
    And because we are/that's our genesis (if you will), he states the Bible should be taught as literature, and that other literature, references, and History, are Not understandable without it.
    We are a Christian Country in character, if not a theocracy.
    Additionally, app 40+% of us are literalist/creationist.

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    He also makes several other accurate comments on Islam v Christianity.
    That being Christianity, in this case Anglicanism, is relatively benign compared to Intolerant Islam.
    Something I have also stated many times.
    First of all, England is much different than America. In fact, England actually has an official state religion/state church, the Anglican Church of England. They have a special provision for this church in their Constitution. They are not like us in that matter because we have no church or religion specifically listed within our US Constitution. That was part of the point. Many of our ancestors didn't want to be ruled by the Church of England, so they came here in groups looking to escape that (whether due to their more accepting or more demanding religious views). This made our Founding Fathers realize that it was a bad idea to single any specific religion, even major religion, out as deserving special consideration under our laws.

    Our history is easily understandable without knowing the Bible or what is in the Bible. The only way the Bible should ever be taught as "literature" is if it is to show the major problem with games such as telephone or how simple stories can easily be turned into something that people believe without question.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    First of all, England is much different than America. In fact, England actually has an official state religion/state church, the Anglican Church of England. They have a special provision for this church in their Constitution. They are not like us in that matter because we have no church or religion specifically listed within our US Constitution. That was part of the point. Many of our ancestors didn't want to be ruled by the Church of England, so they came here in groups looking to escape that (whether due to their more accepting or more demanding religious views). This made our Founding Fathers realize that it was a bad idea to single any specific religion, even major religion, out as deserving special consideration under our laws.

    Our history is easily understandable without knowing the Bible or what is in the Bible. The only way the Bible should ever be taught as "literature" is if it is to show the major problem with games such as telephone or how simple stories can easily be turned into something that people believe without question.
    This country was founded by Bible Reading Christians even though tho some were fleeing religious intolerance. They were enlightened in that respect, but still pretty pious by today's standards and was part of their DNA.
    Their writings can be and life-styles show this.

    And Again, we are an even more Christian country than England now. With 40+% saying they are literalist/creationist... the larger part of the 78% who are merely 'Christian'.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    This country was founded by Bible Reading Christians even though tho some were fleeing religious intolerance. They were enlightened in that respect, but still pretty pious by today's standards and was part of their DNA.
    Their writings can be and life-styles show this.

    And Again, we are an even more Christian country than England now. With 40+% saying they are literalist/creationist... the larger part of the 78% who are merely 'Christian'.
    And many of them found that although their religions were important to them, it wasn't right to force that religion on others (there were some exceptions to this). They learned this lesson because of England and other places in Europe, which at the time, were ruled by certain denominations of Christianity that showed very little tolerance to other religious beliefs, including those within Christianity.

    We developed a lot of that literalist or strict adherence to doctrine much more recently than our founding as a nation. There was more of a call to strictly adhere to Christian principles over just the last century.

    By today's standards, most countries were much more strict in their religious adherence than they are today. But we are not a Christian nation because those principles that run our nation, that set our laws and determine if they adhere to the Constitution, the main law of our land are not based in Christianity nor any other religion for that matter.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And many of them found that although their religions were important to them, it wasn't right to force that religion on others (there were some exceptions to this). They learned this lesson because of England and other places in Europe, which at the time, were ruled by certain denominations of Christianity that showed very little tolerance to other religious beliefs, including those within Christianity.

    We developed a lot of that literalist or strict adherence to doctrine much more recently than our founding as a nation. There was more of a call to strictly adhere to Christian principles over just the last century.

    By today's standards, most countries were much more strict in their religious adherence than they are today. But we are not a Christian nation because those principles that run our nation, that set our laws and determine if they adhere to the Constitution, the main law of our land are not based in Christianity nor any other religion for that matter.
    Untrue.
    Your are Confusing Christian, in character, with Theocracy. This is a misread which I addressed in my first post in the string.
    There are No Christian Theocracies, but many Christian countries.
    And our law is in good part English/Christian in tradition and most of the founders regular Bible readers.

    Consistently/in that vein, Muslim countries correctly think of/characterize us as such too.

    In matter of the later issues/additionally, we are among the most pious among Christian Nations in total amount of believers and percentage. Even if we hadn't have been of Christian tradition, we would still be significantly so now.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Untrue.
    Your are Confusing Christian, in character, with Theocracy. This is a misread which I addressed in my first post in the string.
    There are No Christian Theocracies, but many Christian countries.
    And our law is in good part English/Christian in tradition and most of the founders regular Bible readers.

    Consistently/in that vein, Muslim countries correctly think of/characterize us as such too.

    In matter of the later issues/additionally, we are among the most pious among Christian Nations in total amount of believers and percentage. Even if we hadn't have been of Christian tradition, we would still be significantly so now.
    We do not have any laws that support any religion, unlike other countries such as England, where they have a national religion, a national church, that is protected within their laws.

    I did not say that there were currently any Christian theocracies, but there are easily some countries that could be considered Christian due to their laws recognizing and/or protecting a specific religion as their national religion. England has even prosecuted a person of witchcraft less than 100 years ago, a law based solely on religious beliefs. On the contrary, no one in the US has ever been convicted of witchcraft (at the time of the Salem Witch Trials, we were still colonies, a part of England, the right to freedom of religion had not yet been established).
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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