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Thread: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    The United States of America was founded by a Christian people, for a Christian people and several of the founders said so. Unfortunately, we live in a post-Christian society today where the faith, reason and honor guiding our founders is sorely lacking in this generation of Americans.

    Americans would be wise to restore its Christian heritage and return to the principles of our founders - both politically and personally.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Really? Because Hitler was a person you know.
    So are those who wrote the Bible.

    My reply to this directly is, so? Everyone wants to assume that any higher power that exists must be benevolent if He/She created us. Why? Why couldn't that higher power be a power hungry, egotistical, sexist, racist, sadist who likes to mess with us, treat us like play toys? Heck, God could be exactly like Hitler. We have no idea is the truth.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    So are those who wrote the Bible.

    My reply to this directly is, so? Everyone wants to assume that any higher power that exists must be benevolent if He/She created us. Why? Why couldn't that higher power be a power hungry, egotistical, sexist, racist, sadist who likes to mess with us, treat us like play toys? Heck, God could be exactly like Hitler. We have no idea is the truth.
    Well, if you knew anything about God, you would realize that He is above all human beings. He is not vulnerable to human sin.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, if you knew anything about God, you would realize that He is above all human beings. He is not vulnerable to human sin.
    That is your belief in God. It does not mean you are absolutely right. He could be just as vulnerable to human sin/vice as we are. That was my point. We cannot possibly truly know what any higher power is like because we are human. The information we get about God comes from other humans, who are fallible.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    That is your belief in God. It does not mean you are absolutely right. He could be just as vulnerable to human sin/vice as we are. That was my point. We cannot possibly truly know what any higher power is like because we are human. The information we get about God comes from other humans, who are fallible.
    Lol! Well then who do you suggest? President Obama?

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Lol! Well then who do you suggest? President Obama?
    Our rights are from the minds of many people, including the founders and those they based at least some of their ideas off of, our various Congresses and Presidents over the years, and many, many SCOTUS rulings. The people do have a lot of influence on these as well, in what they show support for or against when it comes to our laws and rights.

    Rights aren't really set in stone for any of us. We are only going to get those rights we, as a collective, are willing to fight for in the case that they are being abused. Others in government may fight for them too, but it can't be guaranteed.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Our rights are from the minds of many people, including the founders and those they based at least some of their ideas off of, our various Congresses and Presidents over the years, and many, many SCOTUS rulings. The people do have a lot of influence on these as well, in what they show support for or against when it comes to our laws and rights.

    Rights aren't really set in stone for any of us. We are only going to get those rights we, as a collective, are willing to fight for in the case that they are being abused. Others in government may fight for them too, but it can't be guaranteed.
    A lot of our rights are based on Christianity and the "word of God", such as the Ten Commandments. Of course, you can deny that, but it's true. That doesn't mean we are a "Christian" nation though. It just means that some of them just make sense.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    A lot of our rights are based on Christianity and the "word of God", such as the Ten Commandments. Of course, you can deny that, but it's true. That doesn't mean we are a "Christian" nation though. It just means that some of them just make sense.
    No, they aren't. Our rights in no way come from the Ten Commandments. Show the connection if you believe this. I guarantee that you cannot connect our rights to the Ten Commandments, and you can only connect a few of our laws to the Ten Commandments in a very limited way, and cannot show that they are exclusively Christian values or even Abrahamic religion based values. The Ten Commandments are rules, not rights.

    And those have made sense for numerous religions and cultures before and after Christianity.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No, they aren't. Our rights in no way come from the Ten Commandments. Show the connection if you believe this. I guarantee that you cannot connect our rights to the Ten Commandments, and you can only connect a few of our laws to the Ten Commandments in a very limited way, and cannot show that they are exclusively Christian values or even Abrahamic religion based values. The Ten Commandments are rules, not rights.

    And those have made sense for numerous religions and cultures before and after Christianity.
    Exactly. You know I'm right. You just don't want to admit to it. Our founding fathers were, for the most part, Christians who believed in those principals.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Exactly. You know I'm right. You just don't want to admit to it. Our founding fathers were, for the most part, Christians who believed in those principals.
    Those aren't rights, those are laws. There is a difference. And those existed in cultures and societies that are not Christian. Many existed long before Christianity was ever a religion, or even before Judaism came about. There have been laws against killing of some kind (murder laws) for a very long time. Sumerians had murder laws. And they had laws against stealing. Other cultures had/have laws against lying of some form or another. We do not have laws against many of the other things, such as idolatry, not saying the lord's name in vain or worshiping the Ten Commandments' God above all others. In fact, about 3-5 of the Ten Commandments could not be put into laws because they would violate our rights guaranteed in the Constitution, particularly the 1st Amendment.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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