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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    why would you want 51% of the people to create or deny you rights.
    I don't. Even the Constitution came from the minds of the people, not 51% of the people. In fact, under the laws we live by, it requires a great deal more to deny rights to a person, since it takes more than 50% of the people to change the Constitution to constitutionally deny rights in a way that cannot be overcome with either legal or legislative effort.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I don't. Even the Constitution came from the minds of the people, not 51% of the people. In fact, under the laws we live by, it requires a great deal more to deny rights to a person, since it takes more than 50% of the people to change the Constitution to constitutionally deny rights in a way that cannot be overcome with either legal or legislative effort.
    I stated 51% which stands for a majority......51 to 49 is just the tipping point.

    if the majority has the power to determine what rights are, then they ALSO have to power to deny rights to others, because they control the power.

    our constitution has NEVER GRANTED ANY PERSON A RIGHT.

    rights are recognized by the constitution or recognized by the USSC.

    civil rights............are privileges and immunities of the constitution.

    by what you said, you want people to have power over all rights.........you want democracy, majority rule, or mob rule....which the founders sought to avoid with our government.

    you and others who think as you do never understand....if people have power to create, then they also have power to destroy, just and as people could create rights, people can also deny them to others.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    I stated 51% which stands for a majority......51 to 49 is just the tipping point.

    if the majority has the power to determine what rights are, then they ALSO have to power to deny rights to others, because they control the power.

    our constitution has NEVER GRANTED ANY PERSON A RIGHT.

    rights are recognized by the constitution or recognized by the USSC.

    civil rights............are privileges and immunities of the constitution.

    by what you said, you want people to have power over all rights.........you want democracy, majority rule, or mob rule....which the founders sought to avoid with our government.

    you and others who think as you do never understand....if you give power to create, then you also give power to destroy, just and as people could create rights, they can also deny them to other people.
    But while the majority may be able to deny rights for a short time, this is true even if those rights are already listed in the Constitution.

    Nothing "grants" rights to people. The Constitution recognizes the rights of people. And only people willingness to fight for their rights and the willingness of others to either fight for those rights or against them. No rights are automatically guaranteed to a person, no matter who it is or where they think their rights come from.

    I said no such thing. Just because you want to read that into what I said does not make it true. I said that in order to deny rights constitutionally to people, it requires much more than a simple majority. (Technically, a simple majority is simply greater than 50%, not 51% because even at 50.000001%, that is a majority.)
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Leaving aside discussions of your Constitution, the US - like the UK in the Nineteenth Century - has a lot of people who feel better if they have something they call a religion, and they tend to label it 'Christian'. A quick check on the New Testament, particularly the Sermon on the Mount will, I think, quickly destroy that particular fantasy.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    A Special thread for Bodhisattva.

    The United States is not a Christian Nation. That is my stance.


    A nation is defined by it's government and it's people - not only by it's majority. To refer to it as A Christian Nation is to falsely represent many Americans.






    Our Country grants freedom for all religions and lack thereof. Grand Cathedrals, churches, Temples, Mosques, and Conventions for Non Believers can be found all over this country. All of which are given equal respect and right to exist.
    Religion in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Our Government and thus our laws are entirely secular. There are a vast array of laws that directly contradict the teachings in the bible and thus God's will (i.e. laws regarding homosexuals, divorce, and other things considered blasphemous). Making the term "Christian Nation" ever more strange and obviously misplaced.

    There is no legitimate reason to refer to this Nation as Christian.



    The vast majority of those who participated in the poll (Including me.) agree that the USA is not a Christian nation.

    The Vatican is, but the USA isn't and never will be.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    But while the majority may be able to deny rights for a short time, this is true even if those rights are already listed in the Constitution.

    Nothing "grants" rights to people. The Constitution recognizes the rights of people. And only people willingness to fight for their rights and the willingness of others to either fight for those rights or against them. No rights are automatically guaranteed to a person, no matter who it is or where they think their rights come from.

    I said no such thing. Just because you want to read that into what I said does not make it true. I said that in order to deny rights constitutionally to people, it requires much more than a simple majority. (Technically, a simple majority is simply greater than 50%, not 51% because even at 50.000001%, that is a majority.)
    the question is why, why , would anyone want to put the power of rights into the hands of people?

    people, just as a single person can be tyrannical.

    which is why rights are not in the hands of the people in America, that is not the government the founders created.

    you and others wish to turn America in a full blown democracy, something completely opposed what was intended..........making America dangerous and doomed to fail.

    if the founders has wanted such government they would have created such.....why do you and others think you are smarter about government then they are?

    rights in the hands of the people is a very dangerous and terrible thing!....we have examples is America already.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the question is why, why , would anyone want to put the power of rights into the hands of people?

    people, just as a single person can be tyrannical.

    which is why rights are not in the hands of the people in America, that is not the government the founders created.

    you and others wish to turn America in a full blown democracy, something completely opposed what was intended..........making America dangerous and doomed to fail.

    if the founders has wanted such government they would have created such.....why do you and others think you are smarter about government then they are?

    rights in the hands of the people is a very dangerous and terrible thing!....we have examples is America already.
    You really need to read what I have been saying or work on better comprehending people. The founders put the method into the Constitution to change the Constitution. Our rights are always in the hands of the people. Not recognizing this is a problem. As I said, in order to have your rights recognized you need to have enough people to support you or not enough people willing to fight against you having those rights.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    There is a roadside BBQ place just down the road from me, I was driving home from the hardware store and it caught my eye, and I realized it was the weekend so it was open, so I turned around and payed a visit. It is basically little more than a trailer and a large smoker on the side of the road, but boy is it good!!

    I Got 1/2 slab of ribs, 1/2 chicken, a pound of pulled pork, and when I got home I realized he threw some sausage in with it all as well. I am stuffed. I think I ate enough meat to offset 5 vegetarians or so today.
    Those little places are usually the best! I used to go to a fish & chip place that looked (literally) like an outhouse off Rt. 22 in Edison NJ. Best fresh fish & chips I've ever eaten, but I was surprised the board of health certified this place to serve food. (Correction - it may have been Springfield NJ, or Scotch Plains.... it was a while ago.)
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    *cringes away from the multitude of posts*

    In answer to the OP/poll.

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    Sometimes I think we're alone. Sometimes I think we're not. In either case, the thought is staggering. ~ R. Buckminster Fuller

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I'd rather they come from the minds of the people, rather than either.
    Really? Because Hitler was a person you know.

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