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Thread: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The context is changed. We begin talking about a social construct: rights. The context is social. And then someone (those who do not understand rights as a social construct) changes (reduces) context to a single individual alone in "nature" (I put nature in quotes because separating man from nature, in the first place, is a logical fallacy).

    This abandonment of context results in all kinds of crazy ideas about where (socially) natural rights come from.

    The founders knew these rights are self evident and come from logic and reason. Saying they come from a Creator was just a way of saying they're natural.
    Oh I see. So basically, you are saying that as long as society views something like murder as being morally wrong, then that would be considered a "natural" right? Amirite?

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Oh I see. So basically, you are saying that as long as society views something like murder as being morally wrong, then that would be considered a "natural" right? Amirite?
    If that belief/desire is universal. Thus 'owning a car' is not a natural right.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    If that belief/desire is universal. Thus 'owning a car' is not a natural right.
    Bummer.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    natural rights do not come from our constitution.

    they come from our humanity.
    Never even hinted at saying that our rights come from the Constitution, but really that part probably doesnt matter to you.

    I did impy though that our rights were not granted by someones belief system.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    LOL, well to be honest, you would probably want your rights to come from God rather than your government.
    I only want the government to exist to govern. And part of governing is protecting rights not creating them.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    I only want the government to exist to govern. And part of governing is protecting rights not creating them.
    And you think that is in the interest of government? To protect your rights?

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    This really depends on what you mean by "Christian nation". if you mean that it is founded upon Judao-Christian values and principles then you are correct! if you are talking about the country enforcing Christianity or supporting christianity as the only religion then duh... its not. If you are speaking about simply socially, then a case can be made either way.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Politicalunrest View Post
    This really depends on what you mean by "Christian nation". if you mean that it is founded upon Judao-Christian values and principles then you are correct! if you are talking about the country enforcing Christianity or supporting christianity as the only religion then duh... its not. If you are speaking about simply socially, then a case can be made either way.
    I can agree that the country was founded on those principals, and I don't have an issue with that. Like I've said before, although I'm not a very religious person, I think a lot of good things come from religious values and morals.

    I would not want to see our government try to force us to live under any type of religious law though. That would be awful. If the door is opened for one religion, then it has to be open to all of the rest of them too. That is just one reason, IMO, why it just makes more sense to keep the government and religion separate entities.

    Let's take a look at Sharia law. That is an ideology that encompasses both government and societal views in certain places, and it is NOT very nice at all. I don't think any of us would want that.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Never even hinted at saying that our rights come from the Constitution, but really that part probably doesnt matter to you.

    I did impy though that our rights were not granted by someones belief system.
    no it matters, i take what you say seriously.

    the founders say creator, therefore they are leaving it subjective to the reader.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    A Special thread for Bodhisattva.

    The United States is not a Christian Nation. That is my stance.

    A nation is defined by it's government and it's people - not only by it's majority. To refer to it as A Christian Nation is to falsely represent many Americans.

    Our Country grants freedom for all religions and lack thereof. Grand Cathedrals, churches, Temples, Mosques, and Conventions for Non Believers can be found all over this country. All of which are given equal respect and right to exist.
    Religion in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Our Government and thus our laws are entirely secular. There are a vast array of laws that directly contradict the teachings in the bible and thus God's will (i.e. laws regarding homosexuals, divorce, and other things considered blasphemous). Making the term "Christian Nation" ever more strange and obviously misplaced.

    There is no legitimate reason to refer to this Nation as Christian.
    The United States is not a Christian nation, but it is one whose forefathers, when writing the constitution of the country, were heavily influenced by Judeo-Christian thought and practices. With all the faults that I recognize in most religions, I take nothing away from how the better parts of Christian tradition formed the minds of the men that gathered to create our nation. I recognize their intention in making sure we were a nation that practiced religious tolerance, based on the history of the early part of our nation, with so many fleeing persecution, to include such assurances. At the same time, I understand that this same experience was born out of the more benevolent aspirations of their religious practices. I can not see the United States as having been created by men of other religions around the world under similar circumstances. With all its faults and terrible history, Judeo-Christian thought joined with those yearning for liberty and a better life to form our nation. Of that I give this tradition its due.

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