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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Thats just further silly semantic games.
    I disagree. It's semantic, but it's legitimate semantic. Words MEAN something. You don't get to misuse a word and then when it gets pointed out just wave it off by going "SILLY SEMANTICS". A Nation, be it speaking of a subset of the population or the entire population within a geographical area and/or State, is not contingent on the GOVERNMENT of that State to mirror that Nation.

    The Government mirroring it, or not mirroring it, is a useful tool for arguing in a general sense for/against...but it in no way is the definitive means of determing if it is or isn't accurate. Thus suggesting it's "silly" based SINGULARLY off us being Secular is ridiculous.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I disagree. It's semantic, but it's legitimate semantic. Words MEAN something. You don't get to misuse a word and then when it gets pointed out just wave it off by going "SILLY SEMANTICS". A Nation, be it speaking of a subset of the population or the entire population within a geographical area and/or State, is not contingent on the GOVERNMENT of that State to mirror that Nation.

    The Government mirroring it, or not mirroring it, is a useful tool for arguing in a general sense for/against...but it in no way is the definitive means of determing if it is or isn't accurate. Thus suggesting it's "silly" based SINGULARLY off us being Secular is ridiculous.
    Again...a plurality religion does not make that a country of that plurality. The US by definintion is a multi-cultural, multi-religion country, regardless of the government.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Again...a plurality religion does not make that a country of that plurality.
    Again, you're arguing against a strawman. I did not make such a suggestion.

    My suggest was claiming that our goverment being secular inherently makes it "silly" to suggest the U.S.A. might be a "Christian Nation" is incorrect, as the government of a state does not inherently determine what kind of "nation" one could claim exists within the population.

    And ever since saying that you've been hacking away at a strawman of your own creation about plurality of religion and all this other nonsense...no of which deals with my comment relating to your claim regarding a secular government.

    If you want to suggest the US is not a Christian Nation because you don't believe the religious views of a majority of the population are enough to constitute declaring it such a thing....that's absolutely fine. I'm not arguing against that. But your claim was that because we're a secular GOVERNMENT it's silly to even suggest we're a Christian Nation, and that is a ridiculous argument.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It says eating pork is a sin. Like homosexuality, that is a ceremonial law. Adultery only becomes a sin when someone is deceived.
    None of that is correct. Eating pork is a dietary law and the other two items are violations of moral laws.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    None of that is correct. Eating pork is a dietary law and the other two items are violations of moral laws.
    Consensual sex is no more immoral than eating pork. Laws against homosexuality are mere ceremony.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Consensual sex is no more immoral than eating pork. Laws against homosexuality are mere ceremony.

    Horse manure.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    Horse manure.
    Not one is hurt, taken advantage of or otherwise harmed. Thus, not a moral issue.

    Sexual "purity" was ceremony intended to foreshadow Christ, just like other ceremonial laws.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Not one is hurt, taken advantage of or otherwise harmed. Thus, not a moral issue.

    Sexual "purity" was ceremony intended to foreshadow Christ, just like other ceremonial laws.
    I like how these Jewish laws weren't anything Jewish, just the preamble for Christianity. That whole culture only existed in order to produce one person. Doesn't that seem a little arrogant?

    As to the actual topic of the OP, what exactly does the term "Christian nation" mean, anyway?
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I like how these Jewish laws weren't anything Jewish, just the preamble for Christianity. That whole culture only existed in order to produce one person. Doesn't that seem a little arrogant?
    Well, however you may feel about that, given the dichotomy of moral and ceremonial laws, laws against homosexuality are certainly ceremonial as no one is harmed.

    As to the actual topic of the OP, what exactly does the term "Christian nation" mean, anyway?
    I presume it can mean a lot of things, from cultural influence (of which Christianity and the Bible as a tool of communication cannot be denied) to theocracy.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Our country SHOULD be a secular country. I think that most of us do not want to live under the rule of ANY religion.

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