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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Not really... that is why those arguing against it are wrong. That is the point. The term is valid but it can't be used because nothing is 100%? That is the point... that it does not have to be 100%. It can be a large majority.
    So you invalidate an argument based on absolutes not existing? I figure an argument should begin, not end, at that point.

    The presumption of absolutes is intellectually dishonest or inept.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    So you invalidate an argument based on absolutes not existing? I figure an argument should begin, not end, at that point.

    The presumption of absolutes is intellectually dishonest or inept.
    Dyslexic moment.... what? I am invalidating the argument that a nation cannot exist because nothing is absolute?
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Dyslexic moment.... what? I am invalidating the argument that a nation cannot exist because nothing is absolute?
    You're presuming others rely on absolutes. That's gutter "intellectualism". They say ones company says something of oneself. Believing you're arguing against absolutes says something. The presumption of absolutes is stupid, whether in regard to ones own position or others'.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You're presuming others rely on absolutes. That's gutter "intellectualism". They say ones company says something of oneself. Believing you're arguing against absolutes says something. The presumption of absolutes is stupid, whether in regard to ones own position or others'.
    I guess I am confused because I am not arguing against absolutes. I am arguing against those that are claiming that because nothing is absolute, my argument is invalid.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I guess I am confused because I am not arguing against absolutes.
    Of course you are. You presume that the opponent's position relies upon them.

    I am arguing against those that are claiming that because nothing is absolute, my argument is invalid.
    So, because nothing is absolute you win? Nonsense. You're strawmanning your opponent's position.


    No one is claiming the US is absolutely a Christian nation.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I guess I am confused
    I might be as well. This wouldn't be the second time we've argued the same position against each other.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Of course you are. You presume that the opponent's position relies upon them.



    So, because nothing is absolute you win? Nonsense. You're strawmanning your opponent's position.


    No one is claiming the US is absolutely a Christian nation.
    The people that have argued against me in this thread are the ones saying since it isn't 100% I am wrong. I am arguing that since nothing is 100% a majority can suffice. I have a valid argument. They are the ones saying that it is their way or the highway ... and yes, some have claimed that since it is not absolute it can't be a Christian Nation. That is nave at best.

    I might be as well. This wouldn't be the second time we've argued the same position against each other.
    I honestly think that might be happening...
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    The people that have argued against me in this thread are the ones saying since it isn't 100% I am wrong. I am arguing that since nothing is 100% a majority can suffice. I have a valid argument. They are the ones saying that it is their way or the highway ... and yes, some have claimed that since it is not absolute it can't be a Christian Nation. That is nave at best.



    I honestly think that might be happening...
    You know just because someone says that they go to church or are Christian doesn't absolutely mean that they are a Christian. ←see I used caps

    How many people in the polls that identify as Christian in America actually go to church and actually follow their so called good book? There is plenty of data that says that religion is on the decline in the US.

    lets look at that majority that you keep pointing at. It turns out that it isnt a straight 70% something Christians its about 50% something Christians and 20% something Catholics. i have been to many Christian churches in my years and all of them made a distinction between themselves and those Catholics and their Saints. Dont forget about Mormons and Jehovah's. I have heard a plenty sermon about those guys, it wasnt pretty either. Christians get all anal about the false gods thing etc.

    Is Roman Catholicism Christian? | Are Catholics Christians? | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry "No, Roman Catholicism and Christianity are not the same thing. ...... So, even though Roman Catholicism claims to be Christian and that it is the one true church, it violates the essentials of the Christian faith. It goes beyond what is written in God's word (1 Cor. 4:6). It denies the sole and true sovereignty of the living God by promoting prayer to and the worship of Mary. Also, it denies justification by faith alone in Christ alone. It is not a Christian church."

    But really it isnt the majority claim that I argue against. There are a **** of a lot of Christian's in the US we all admit this and know it. My argument disputes a claim that all those Christians actually makes us a Christian Nation. It comes done to what circles that one travels in. If you go looking for Christian crap you will find it. But I have found that it is rather easy to avoid Christian crap even in a county that is heavily religious. When I drive down the road its only the church signs that remind me of Christianity, literally everywhere else is void of any religious content (save the religious nut that put signs in his front yard). You would think that if this was indeed a Christian Nation then one would find it in every facet of society. People would great each other with Christian crap whether they were actual Christians or not. There should be Jesus statures in every park on every corner or at least one in each town.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Not that they havent tried to make it a theocracy. Which just magnifies the forethought of the framers.

    But then I have been to church lately, and have heard the sermons.

    I am suddenly reminded of the parliament in the movie V for Vendetta
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    As long as every involved, including spouses, consents, then what's the problem?
    Nah. It's ceremonial.
    The Bible says gay sex and adultery are both sins. You can believe otherwise if you want.
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