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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    And prior to the United States there was also no large scale constitution based representative republic that protected religious freedom. The fact it has happened in the past doesn't suggest it must happen in the future nor that it's a requirement.

    The percentage of Christians in the country was even larger in the first century of this countries existance, and even then it did not become a theocracy, because the predominant religion of society was seperate to the ruling body. Nothing says that a religious nation within a particular state MUST become a Nation-State by taking over the government. It's entirely possible for that to NOT happen, as evidenced by the earleist days of our country.
    Not that they havent tried to make it a theocracy. Which just magnifies the forethought of the framers.

    But then I have been to church lately, and have heard the sermons.


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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    That is completely outside of federal jurisdiction. If he is not doing something against the US itself or claiming to be working on behalf of the government of the US, anything one does outside of the US is outside the US jurisdiction. The government might say otherwise, but then we are used to them taking powers that aren't theirs.
    Nope. He's being charged with crimes against humanity, an international law. It's just that he is being charged here is all. Sorry to disappoint you that a vocal supporter of murder isn't going free.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Nope. He's being charged with crimes against humanity, an international law. It's just that he is being charged here is all. Sorry to disappoint you that a vocal supporter of murder isn't going free.
    Don't try to put words into my mouth...er on my keyboard. A criminal should be tried and punished in the jurisdiction that the crime took place. If an American murders someone in Britain, then he is to be tried and punished there. He's broken no US law over there since the murder didn't happen on US soil. It's the same principle as to why we should not have laws to punish people for going to a place to engage in an activity where it is legal, and then punish them for doing so because it is illegal here. If he broke no laws in Uganda, and all the actions were isolated to and in Uganda, regardless of how bad I think those actions are, then he has committed no crime. Now if he did his influencing here in the US then yes US law covers him.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    So, consensual adultery is not a sin either?

    I also don't buy the "ceremonial" argument. Gay sex is a sin.
    It might be for your religion, but not necessarily for another's. That applies to both "sins". Also depends upon which era's definition of adultery you are using. Originally it meant a married woman having sex with a man other than her husband, or a man having sex with a married woman other than his wife. Note that the man's marital status was originally irrelevant.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Was any ever?
    Not really... that is why those arguing against it are wrong. That is the point. The term is valid but it can't be used because nothing is 100%? That is the point... that it does not have to be 100%. It can be a large majority.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The best you can say is it's a "fact" that it's a Christian Nation under YOUR arbitrary, subjective definition.
    Technically, perhaps. But the term "Nation" exists and has been used to describe people's living within a defined territory over the ages... but not in this case? Why? I think it is people trying to be cute, be political or be anti-religion.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    That's right folks...it's all opinion and not a fact, unless Bodhi wants to "smack" you with declarations that it's a Christian Nation in which case it absolutely is a fact.
    This is a fact.

    You are continuing to fail. You are being set up to self-smack and doing a brilliant job at it too...
    All you have found me guilty of is a weak argument. What you have displayed by posting this quote though ... is that you are engaging in self-smack.

    You set yourself up...
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    All you have found me guilty of is a weak argument.
    Actually, what I did to show you acting ridiculously hypocritically and making claims that show your earlier...and now LATER...claims to be absolutely false.

    You talk out one side of your mouth at one point saying it's a fact....then turn around when people, rightfully and accurately, challenge your asinine idiotic assertion by going "it's just an opinion man, not a fact"....and then when your own pathetic self ownage is pointed out you then revert back to claiming "it's a fact".

    At this point a three legged goat with his head up his ass could put forward a more coherent and internally consistent argument than what you've been putting forward with regards to this being a "fact".

    The term nation is used to describe a people living within a particular geogrpahical area for some time; I'm not arguing against that fact. What I am saying is that, IN REALITY, the definition of nation suggests a commonly shared feature...but what constitutes something be "commonly" shared is subjective, not fact as you wrongfully asserted (Then rightfully retracted, then wrongfully asserted again).

    From the very onset of the founding of the United States of America, the population overall did not have a "shared" religion as it relates to christianity. It was extensive, but not entirely shared. In the modern day it is even less a "shared" cultural note amongst all the people living within the country, and as was pointed out by another poster in a long ago debate on this, many of those who DO still share that culture in name do not share it in any kind of principled or practical manner in the actual practioning of that cultural note. A arguably significant portion of our population does not share that cultural heritage, and a significant percentage of the ones that DO share it in name don't share it in practice or methodology.

    It would likely be a factual argument to suggest there exists a "Christian Nation" WITHIN the United States of America, but that's different then suggesting the United States is a "Christian Nation" as that is speaking to the population in total. While it's still possible to put forward an opinion, and defend it, that the US is a Christian Nation it is abjectly impossible to assert as you did (then didn't, then did) that such a thing is a FACT.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Actually, what I did to show you acting ridiculously hypocritically and making claims that show your earlier...and now LATER...claims to be absolutely false.

    You talk out one side of your mouth at one point saying it's a fact....then turn around when people, rightfully and accurately, challenge your asinine idiotic assertion by going "it's just an opinion man, not a fact"....and then when your own pathetic self ownage is pointed out you then revert back to claiming "it's a fact".

    At this point a three legged goat with his head up his ass could put forward a more coherent and internally consistent argument than what you've been putting forward with regards to this being a "fact".

    The term nation is used to describe a people living within a particular geogrpahical area for some time; I'm not arguing against that fact. What I am saying is that, IN REALITY, the definition of nation suggests a commonly shared feature...but what constitutes something be "commonly" shared is subjective, not fact as you wrongfully asserted (Then rightfully retracted, then wrongfully asserted again).

    From the very onset of the founding of the United States of America, the population overall did not have a "shared" religion as it relates to christianity. It was extensive, but not entirely shared. In the modern day it is even less a "shared" cultural note amongst all the people living within the country, and as was pointed out by another poster in a long ago debate on this, many of those who DO still share that culture in name do not share it in any kind of principled or practical manner in the actual practioning of that cultural note. A arguably significant portion of our population does not share that cultural heritage, and a significant percentage of the ones that DO share it in name don't share it in practice or methodology.

    It would likely be a factual argument to suggest there exists a "Christian Nation" WITHIN the United States of America, but that's different then suggesting the United States is a "Christian Nation" as that is speaking to the population in total. While it's still possible to put forward an opinion, and defend it, that the US is a Christian Nation it is abjectly impossible to assert as you did (then didn't, then did) that such a thing is a FACT.
    Take your fact **** and insults and shove it up your ass...

    I was saying "fact" to that tard because he was being a tard and I was ****ing around indicating that I am the authority. It is obvious to anybody with a 3rd grade education that I am not THE authority... well, I thought it was obvious at least. I have many times clarified my true thoughts on the matter, but don't let that stop your pathetic assertion that I am contradicting myself.

    I don't actually debate the topic with people that come across as raging assholes for no reason and all you have done, though I was initially joking about, is to compound your self-smack to an alarming level.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No. Zithaniel got smacked around in another thread, and this is his protest Well-I'll-Show-YOU thread in response
    I'm new here, but will add that such behavior is quite normal to those who have an online personna that loses arguments. Logical debate would argue at the source of one's disagreements rather than try to redefine the argument in a new discussion for a cherry-picked outcome.

    For my POV, the hard fact is that the U.S, is a Christian nation, which purposefully set out to make religions, in general, safe and comfortable. Yes, the Bill of Rights stipulates the Federal government cannot enshrine a Federal Religion - but that is it. States have always had the backing of the Constitution to have their own State-based religion if they so desire. At the founding several States did so. The important thing to realize that even if a State has a religion it endorses - it can't forbid rival ones.

    After WWII, we outlawed the Shinto religion in Japan because it fomented a political goal - not just a religious one. The Emperor had to disclaim being a god, and the military had to step away from the martial demands of it.

    The Founders built a new nation from a Christian viewpoint - but included the tolerance of all religions which drove many out of their former home lands. Pieces of religions are represented here. from Hammurabi's Codes to the proscriptions in Leviticus.

    The argument that there are too many non-believers to define the country is bogus. The Founders defined the country first. Observation of one's beliefs have always been allowed without changing what the country is.
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