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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Surely, some of your coworkers, neighbors, and friends are people of faith. What do they want?

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Something that always baffled me...

    If this is Christian nation, how come it's the *only* nation in north america to have the death penalty? How come the entire bible belt has it still and carries out the most executions? Anyone else find that odd?

    Other countries with frequent death penalty: Iran, Saudi Arabia, China. Awesome Christian company!
    From Wiki:

    Of the 35 independent states in the Americas that are UN members:

    15 (43%) have abolished it.
    4 (11%) retain it for crimes committed in exceptional circumstances (such as in time of war).
    14 (40%) permit its use for ordinary crimes, but have not used it for at least 10 years and are believed to have a policy or established practice of not carrying out executions, or it is under a moratorium.
    2 (6%) maintain the death penalty in both law and practice.

    The information above is accurate as of 2013 when Cuba became a de facto abolitionist state by not having carried out an execution for ten years. Use of capital punishment by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Something that always baffled me...

    If this is Christian nation, how come it's the *only* nation in north america to have the death penalty? How come the entire bible belt has it still and carries out the most executions? Anyone else find that odd?

    Other countries with frequent death penalty: Iran, Saudi Arabia, China. Awesome Christian company!
    I do think that's an interesting point. I've noticed on this site that we have Christians who are pro death penalty. I've been told by some that this is somehow acceptable (I can't remember their reasoning), but IMO that is a rather hypocritical stance. I would think they would let God make those decisions.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    From Wiki:

    Of the 35 independent states in the Americas that are UN members:

    15 (43%) have abolished it.
    4 (11%) retain it for crimes committed in exceptional circumstances (such as in time of war).
    14 (40%) permit its use for ordinary crimes, but have not used it for at least 10 years and are believed to have a policy or established practice of not carrying out executions, or it is under a moratorium.
    2 (6%) maintain the death penalty in both law and practice.

    The information above is accurate as of 2013 when Cuba became a de facto abolitionist state by not having carried out an execution for ten years. Use of capital punishment by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Well i'm reading the Jimmy Carter book and that's what he claimed.

    Looking in more depth, many nations have the death penalty but it's only regularly used in 9 countries, says Amnesty International - the US being the only one in western hemisphere - China, Saudi, Iran, Iraq, US, Sudan, Yemen, Bangladesh, North Korea. Then add Somalia if going by 2013.

    That's rather poor company.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I do think that's an interesting point. I've noticed on this site that we have Christians who are pro death penalty. I've been told by some that this is somehow acceptable (I can't remember their reasoning), but IMO that is a rather hypocritical stance. I would think they would let God make those decisions.
    Yeah and they use the exact opposite logic (killing is wrong) to oppose abortion so vehemently.

    This isn't even going into the mountains of data that suggest many innocent are executed and it's not at all a deterrent. I mean if the US decides its law on faith rather than facts...but the 30+ states with death penalty can accomplish neither. It contradicts their supposed faith as well as the facts. The only thing left to defend it is raw emotion (revenge). Pretty pathetic

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Something that always baffled me...

    If this is Christian nation, how come it's the *only* nation in north america to have the death penalty? How come the entire bible belt has it still and carries out the most executions? Anyone else find that odd?

    Other countries with frequent death penalty: Iran, Saudi Arabia, China. Awesome Christian company!
    You might be an enlightened individual concerning this subject and others if only you took the time to read the Bible.

    It's up to each individual government to decide if it wants to enact capital punishment.

    "For the one in authority is Godís servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are Godís servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer." - Romans chapter 13

    You're busted.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I do think that's an interesting point. I've noticed on this site that we have Christians who are pro death penalty. I've been told by some that this is somehow acceptable (I can't remember their reasoning), but IMO that is a rather hypocritical stance. I would think they would let God make those decisions.
    Here's some info on that. Take note of Romans chapter 13 in the link below.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1063435600
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post
    You might be an enlightened individual concerning this subject and others if only you took the time to read the Bible.

    It's up to each individual government to decide if it wants to enact capital punishment.

    "For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer." - Romans chapter 13

    You're busted.
    Turn the other cheek? "Let whoever is without sin cast the first stone." Early Christians like St. John Chrysostom staunchly opposed executions and warfare cause of these parables.

    Of course, the modern bible belt thumpers are more illiterate and uneducated than even 200 AD peasants, so it's not surprising they will pull single lines from Romans instead of realize there's not a single quote from Jesus supporting executions (or gay bashing). They would have to remember what they read 10 pages ago for that.

    I've read the bible and highly recommend it. It's comedy gold precisely because of contradictions, and that anyone takes it seriously only makes it more hilarious, if not for using it to justify barbarity like government executions of defenseless prisoners.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Turn the other cheek? "Let whoever is without sin cast the first stone." Early Christians like St. John Chrysostom staunchly opposed executions and warfare cause of these parables.
    Those are individual-based precepts not government-based tenets. God clearly puts government in charge of the decision on capital punishment.

    "For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer." - Romans chapter 13

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Of course, the modern bible belt thumpers are more illiterate and uneducated than even 200 AD peasants, so it's not surprising they will pull single lines from Romans instead of realize there's not a single quote from Jesus supporting executions (or gay bashing). They would have to remember what they read 10 pages ago for that.
    More nonsense. You're trying to tell me conversely that the people we have in Washington are educated? LOL!

    As for Jesus on homosexual sin:

    Jesus is God (many scriptures). As God, Jesus is the one who gave Moses the Levitical law against gay sex to begin with; and he's the one who inspires all Scripture (2 Timothy 3:16), including prohibitions against gay sex in Romans 1:26-27 and I Corinthians 6:9-10. etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    I've read the bible and highly recommend it. It's comedy gold precisely because of contradictions, and that anyone takes it seriously only makes it more hilarious, if not for using it to justify barbarity like government executions of defenseless prisoners.
    You may have read it but it never sank in. Your lack of insight in the examples above prove it.

    And when you can bust the resurrection THEN you'll begin to have an ounce of credibility on the Bible being a load of hooey.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Logicman View Post

    More nonsense. You're trying to tell me conversely that the people we have in Washington are educated? LOL!

    As for Jesus on homosexual sin:

    Jesus is God (many scriptures). As God, Jesus is the one who gave Moses the Levitical law against gay sex to begin with; and he's the one who inspires all Scripture (2 Timothy 3:16), including prohibitions against gay sex in Romans 1:26-27 and I Corinthians 6:9-10. etc.

    You may have read it but it never sank in. Your lack of insight in the examples above prove it.

    And when you can bust the resurrection THEN you'll begin to have an ounce of credibility on the Bible being a load of hooey.
    Whether politicians are educated is irrelevant, since they have to appease the uneducated bible belt voters. In many cases though, they are very much so. Obama went to harvard and was a chicago law prof for example.

    "Sank in" as you define it is no more than interpretation. Jesus' divinity was debated for centuries (look up Arianism or gnosticism) and in fact is still widely disagreed on by the various sects. Nicaea as with everything tried to make it seem incontrovertible and unanimous, but the gospels are ambiguous. Ex: "Whoever makes a speech against the son of man will be forgiven. But whoever speaks against the holy spirit will not be forgiven." Sure seems like a distinction.

    That wasn't what i was saying anyway. "Paul" or whoever wrote Romans, was not Jesus or God or whatever. It's rather curious that for something you consider such a huge deal, the gospels never mentioned either subject. If anything, the gospel Jesus seems like he would not at all support state executions.

    "Busting" the resurrection is like trying to prove ET doesn't exist. What you want me to do, go back in time and video tape this alleged event? I'll be content with 'beyond reasonable doubt.' The fact that of 100 billion humans, there is no proof any has ever resurrected. The complete silence by any independent 1st century sources, for a claim of such magnitude.

    Only reason the claim was made was to win followers, which is unfortunate since his lessons alone, without the bells and whistles of miracles, might have been worth preserving. This is why you shouldn't really care. The resurrection or virgin birth doesn't matter.

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