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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    that would violate our law. Thus removing the constitution from our republic.
    Not really. Just an amendment to the current constitution at most or a tweaking of judicial opinions at the least. Besides, you simply posed a hypothetical that was wrong-a country can have religious freedom in a real sense and still have a state religion. Many countries now do so. And they are not theocracies or dictatorships. They are, like the US, multicultural and multi-religious yet have a state religion that plays an extremely insignificant role.
    And it is so ironic to me. The US Constitution reads like a Unitarian document, written mainly by people who were Unitarians or leaned Unitarian such a Madison. Jefferson himself stated that he thought that within a generation most young people would be Unitarians.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
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    The United States is not a Christian Nation. That is my stance.

    A nation is defined by it's government and it's people - not only by it's majority. To refer to it as A Christian Nation is to falsely represent many Americans.

    Our Country grants freedom for all religions and lack thereof. Grand Cathedrals, churches, Temples, Mosques, and Conventions for Non Believers can be found all over this country. All of which are given equal respect and right to exist.
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    Our Government and thus our laws are entirely secular. There are a vast array of laws that directly contradict the teachings in the bible and thus God's will (i.e. laws regarding homosexuals, divorce, and other things considered blasphemous). Making the term "Christian Nation" ever more strange and obviously misplaced.

    There is no legitimate reason to refer to this Nation as Christian.
    I am a strong Christian, and America should not - must not - be a "Christian" nation. Why? Because the beliefs I have are significantly out of step with the great majority of mainstream "Christianity" (for one thing, we strongly oppose the idea of the 'trinity' - Jesus never was and never will be God, nor is He a "mighty God" as the JW's believe)...and I don't want other religions (including mainstream "Christianity") to be teaching my kid religion in school or placing pressure on him to believe as they do.

    To put it another way, how would most mainstream "Christians" feel if, say, all of a sudden their town became mostly Mormon, and the schools started holding Mormon-themed presentations and plays, and the children were expected to take part in Mormon-themed events at school? I think we all know where this would lead - and it wouldn't be pretty.

    It's not simply a matter of whether America should be a "Christian" nation...but more of which kind of "Christian" nation America would have to be...because there's many different kinds of beliefs when it comes to Christianity.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    None of that changes the fact that it's 3/4 of a cup of jello.
    Correct. It's a cup of mostly jello, but it's not a jello cup. It's a nation of mostly Christians, but it's not a Christian nation.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric7216 View Post
    Not really. Just an amendment to the current constitution at most or a tweaking of judicial opinions at the least. Besides, you simply posed a hypothetical that was wrong-a country can have religious freedom in a real sense and still have a state religion. Many countries now do so. And they are not theocracies or dictatorships. They are, like the US, multicultural and multi-religious yet have a state religion that plays an extremely insignificant role.
    And it is so ironic to me. The US Constitution reads like a Unitarian document, written mainly by people who were Unitarians or leaned Unitarian such a Madison. Jefferson himself stated that he thought that within a generation most young people would be Unitarians.

    Thomas Jefferson and religion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    yes really. The constitution and the bill of rights is the law of the land.

    And you don't really have religious freedom as we know it in countries with a national religion.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    yes really. The constitution and the bill of rights is the law of the land.

    And you don't really have religious freedom as we know it in countries with a national religion.
    And Article 5 of that Constitution tells how the law of the land may be changed. Not that I am suggesting that. But we have had 27 amendments so far and the founders understood that the law of the land would change. And the Courts have, arguably, done some rather strange interpretations. There is considerable disagreement on what the Constitution means.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric7216 View Post
    And Article 5 of that Constitution tells how the law of the land may be changed. Not that I am suggesting that. But we have had 27 amendments so far and the founders understood that the law of the land would change.
    The first ten amendments are the bill of rights. So technically the constitution was only amended 17 times. The first amendment isn't going to be amended.
    And the Courts have, arguably, done some rather strange interpretations. There is considerable disagreement on what the Constitution means.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Something that always baffled me...

    If this is Christian nation, how come it's the *only* nation in north america to have the death penalty? How come the entire bible belt has it still and carries out the most executions? Anyone else find that odd?

    Other countries with frequent death penalty: Iran, Saudi Arabia, China. Awesome Christian company!

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    I am a strong Christian, and America should not - must not - be a "Christian" nation. Why? Because the beliefs I have are significantly out of step with the great majority of mainstream "Christianity" (for one thing, we strongly oppose the idea of the 'trinity' - Jesus never was and never will be God, nor is He a "mighty God" as the JW's believe)...and I don't want other religions (including mainstream "Christianity") to be teaching my kid religion in school or placing pressure on him to believe as they do.

    To put it another way, how would most mainstream "Christians" feel if, say, all of a sudden their town became mostly Mormon, and the schools started holding Mormon-themed presentations and plays, and the children were expected to take part in Mormon-themed events at school? I think we all know where this would lead - and it wouldn't be pretty.

    It's not simply a matter of whether America should be a "Christian" nation...but more of which kind of "Christian" nation America would have to be...because there's many different kinds of beliefs when it comes to Christianity.
    I don't have anything against Christians, and I think many of their customs/rules/whatever are wonderful. However, I have to wonder what is meant by a "Christian" nation? If this was a Christian nation, does that mean we would all be forced to participate in religious ceremonies (like Lent, etc.) that we don't follow? Would we HAVE to get married before we had sex? Would we all be shunned for not going to Sunday mass? What do the religious people want, is what I want to know.

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