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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    The forefathers, seriously tried to separate church and state, and create a secular government, many of them having fled religious persecution. But there are many instances of religion, within the government in symbolism and words. It was just impossible for religious people to remove all connotations of their beliefs from every aspect of federal development.

    In the justice system they swear on the bible. We used to say the "Pledge of Allegiance" in school everyday. The Supreme Court Building had a frieze of Moses holding the Ten Commandments. The great Seal of the United States says, Annuit Coeptis, which translates roughly to “Providence favors our undertakings”. The whole Seal is basically a bunch of Latin and images favoring the divine.

    In the Declaration of Independence it states "all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights". I'm not going to attempt to list every little religious reference within the whole system, but it was certainly a part of daily life thru most of our earlier growth.

    Are you seriously that unaware of American history and the influences that religion, particularly Christianity had on our country? This whole current generation thinks we always worshiped commerce, war and materialism but it's simply not true. We were a nation of great ideas about fairness, equity, law and patriotic pride. We made the best products in the world at one time, and sought the highest endeavors and achievements that our imaginations could inspire. We won more medals at events than any other nation in the Olympics.

    It's sad that you lumped yourself in with the younger and less informed on your historic opinions?
    Wow, that actually makes me feel kind of sad. Our country doesn't seem to be doing all that well lately.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    A "nation" describes the people that live within a defined territory. The Cherokee Nation was anything but a theocracy... for example.
    The nation isn't Christian than. It contains a huge selection of the world's religions. Based on your statement the nation can only be called a majority Christian nation.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric7216 View Post
    Not sure about that. It could be like the UK, Denmark, or Finland. Or Thailand. All of which have state religions. None of those are theocracies or dictatorships. It would probably continue like now, with some Christians arguing for charity for the poor and the sick and measures against income inequality while other Christians emphasize other themes in the Bible.

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    that would violate our law. Thus removing the constitution from our republic.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Is the U.S. a Christian nation? If you want to judge that on the number that associate with claiming the Christian faith as their belief, then I guess one could conclude that the answer is yes. But the Founders never pushed one religion over another at the federal level but there is plenty of evidence individual states did. Madison and Jefferson's correspondence urging states not to do so make that very clear. The Founders were wise in that they realized without religious freedom it would hinder many from seeking religious instruction. You see by not claiming any one religion it allowed all to seek their own path of enlightenment. Why was this so important? Because almost all religions promote morality and that was one essential element needed in assuring our free republic be a success. You can't set up a government for the people, by the people without morality....period. There are so many sects within the Christian faith, too many to count yet before many of them were ever formed there were established synagogues in this country. To prove that point is a letter from George Washington to the Jews in Newport assuring them that under this new government they would be protected.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Wow, that actually makes me feel kind of sad. Our country doesn't seem to be doing all that well lately.
    Nah, we're still a great nation with a higher quality of life than ever before. Some of the richness and depth have been replaced, with more superficial ideas and materialism. But change for the better or worse is always a constant. For example; we're obsessed with technology far more than ever before, because corporations use it as an income source. The benefit for us is that we're sharing more information, developing more energy sources, growing more food efficiently and living in an environment with greater intellectual potential. There's always trade-offs and rebalancing in nature.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    The forefathers, seriously tried to separate church and state, and create a secular government, many of them having fled religious persecution. But there are many instances of religion, within the government in symbolism and words. It was just impossible for religious people to remove all connotations of their beliefs from every aspect of federal development.

    In the justice system they swear on the bible. We used to say the "Pledge of Allegiance" in school everyday. The Supreme Court Building had a frieze of Moses holding the Ten Commandments. The great Seal of the United States says, Annuit Coeptis, which translates roughly to “Providence favors our undertakings”. The whole Seal is basically a bunch of Latin and images favoring the divine.

    In the Declaration of Independence it states "all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights". I'm not going to attempt to list every little religious reference within the whole system, but it was certainly a part of daily life thru most of our earlier growth.

    Are you seriously that unaware of American history and the influences that religion, particularly Christianity had on our country? This whole current generation thinks we always worshiped commerce, war and materialism but it's simply not true. We were a nation of great ideas about fairness, equity, law and patriotic pride. We made the best products in the world at one time, and sought the highest endeavors and achievements that our imaginations could inspire. We won more medals at events than any other nation in the Olympics.

    It's sad that you lumped yourself in with the younger and less informed on your historic opinions?
    No one has doubted that religious people since the founding of the country have peppered varying laws, vows, buildings (and yes, currency) with Christian symbolism and dogma. Christians are the majority, it's going to happen. But all of that is meaningless in the face of the Constitution which severely restricts just how far Christians can combine government with Christianity. That should be more telling than some official here or there who was able to slip "God" into the pledge of allegiance or the ten commandments into some courthouse.

    Oh, and as the founding fathers were largely deists and secularists influenced by the Enlightenment of the era, the term "Creator" was used as it could apply to anything...Judeao-Christian in specific, monotheistic in general, polytheistic, evolution...anything at all.

    You've also attached Christianity to "great ideas about fairness, equity, law and patriotic pride. We made the best products in the world at one time, and sought the highest endeavors and achievements that our imaginations could inspire. We won more medals at events than any other nation in the Olympics." If you're going to own those, then you also have to take responsibility for everything else: slavery, misogyny, the extermination of the Native Americans, the exploitation of the Chinese in the building of the railroads and Jim Crowe. If Christianity spawned this country as you'd like to believe, then it spawned those as well. It's a package deal. Let me put it in another way: if Christianity were so great, it would have stopped those terrible things rather than allowing them to go on for as long as they did.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    You have it wrong even now. Whether the cup is 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 or completely filled with jello it is indeed a cup of jello. However, it is not a jello cup, which would it was a cup created of jello. It's also a cup of air, maybe whipped cream, sprinkles and whatever else is in the cup. BTW I've seen red skies, orange skies, even seen the green flash once. Oh yeah and star strewn black skies.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    To say our laws are entirely secular is not quite true. I can't legally buy beer here until noon on Sundays (so I try to stock up on breakfast beer beforehand).
    Our laws can be compared to tenants of many other religious beliefs. Should we ignore all other morality and their influences for one exclusive "brand"?


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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    The forefathers, seriously tried to separate church and state, and create a secular government, many of them having fled religious persecution. But there are many instances of religion, within the government in symbolism and words. It was just impossible for religious people to remove all connotations of their beliefs from every aspect of federal development.

    In the justice system they swear on the bible. We used to say the "Pledge of Allegiance" in school everyday. The Supreme Court Building had a frieze of Moses holding the Ten Commandments. The great Seal of the United States says, Annuit Coeptis, which translates roughly to “Providence favors our undertakings”. The whole Seal is basically a bunch of Latin and images favoring the divine.

    In the Declaration of Independence it states "all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights". I'm not going to attempt to list every little religious reference within the whole system, but it was certainly a part of daily life thru most of our earlier growth.

    Are you seriously that unaware of American history and the influences that religion, particularly Christianity had on our country? This whole current generation thinks we always worshiped commerce, war and materialism but it's simply not true. We were a nation of great ideas about fairness, equity, law and patriotic pride. We made the best products in the world at one time, and sought the highest endeavors and achievements that our imaginations could inspire. We won more medals at events than any other nation in the Olympics.

    It's sad that you lumped yourself in with the younger and less informed on your historic opinions?
    Those ideals of fairness, equality/equity, law, and patriotic pride are not Christian ideals exclusively. Christianity did not even "invent" those ideals. It simply took on those ideals (at least to a degree) as part of its foundations, likely due to influence by those cultures and even certain religions that came before it. Plus, ideals were adapted throughout time to go with the Bible. Freedom was not fully pushed by the Bible, not for absolutely every human being at least.

    As for those other religious mentions you made, they come from many sources, and not all due to just Christianity. The laws of Moses on court houses are allowed because generally they go alone with the idea of laws for the people. Many court houses have other laws given to people that weren't Christian (in fact, the laws of Moses were not Christian laws initially, they can just as easily be claimed by Jews). A judge or other representative in this country does not have to swear on the Bible. It is symbolic, mainly of our roots of being from some groups of people who were hardcore about their religion and involved it in law. The Pledge of Allegiance cannot be required to be recited in school, especially parts referencing God (which was just added relatively recently in our history). The money thing is simply something that would cost more to change than it is generally worth at this point in time. Many people believe in a "Creator" without being Christian.
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