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Thread: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    It may not be Christian but the formers of the nation had some religious ideas and symbols in mind. "In God We Trust" is still used on our currency.
    If by "formers" you mean the founding fathers, they had nothing to do with the use of "In God We Trust" on currency.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    If by "formers" you mean the founding fathers, they had nothing to do with the use of "In God We Trust" on currency.
    Formers means from all prior people who had effect. I know the money logo was from a later date in the mid 1800's, that's why I included the link describing it's origin.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Formers means from all prior people who had effect. I know the money logo was from a later date in the mid 1800's, that's why I included the link describing it's origin.
    Well hell, that would apply to anybody, which makes your point not particularly meaningful.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Well hell, that would apply to anybody, which makes your point not particularly meaningful.
    I don't know how your ridiculous, fallacy of irrelevance has anything meaningful about it?
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I don't know how your ridiculous, fallacy of irrelevance has anything meaningful about it?
    All you said was basically "there were people from the long-ago-time who put 'In God We Trust' on our currency." You're not only not specifying what authority or basis those people had for doing so, you couldn't even bothered to say who they were. Why even get up in the morning if that's the sort of argument you're going to make?
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    All you said was basically "there were people from the long-ago-time who put "In God We Trust on our currency." You're not only not specifying what authority or basis those people had for doing so, you couldn't even bothered to say who they were. Why even get up in the morning if that's the sort of argument you're going to make?

    That's so idiotic, because you were too lazy to even read the quote within the post you're referencing.

    Below is the information again, and if you bother following the link I also provided in that post, it will enlighten you more.

    You know, your response wouldn't look so ignorant if you bothered trying to be something more than just insulting.

    The motto IN GOD WE TRUST was placed on United States coins largely because of the increased religious sentiment existing during the Civil War. Secretary of the Treasury Salmon P. Chase received many appeals from devout persons throughout the country, urging that the United States recognize the Deity on United States coins. From Treasury Department records, it appears that the first such appeal came in a letter dated November 13, 1861. It was written to Secretary Chase by Rev. M. R. Watkinson, Minister of the Gospel from Ridleyville, Pennsylvania, and read:

    http://www.treasury.gov/about/educat...-we-trust.aspx
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    Yes I agree Christianity has left it's mark, but I don't believe it's a permanent mark - and current trends show that this country is redefining it's self as it always has. We are becoming more and more secular - many laws based in arbitrary social standards related to Christianity are being appealed. New generations are not only turning their back on faith but are actively fighting agaisnt strict traditional religious views on social standards.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    That's so idiotic, because you were too lazy to even read the quote within the post you're referencing.

    Below is the information again, and if you bother following the link I also provided in that post, it will enlighten you more.

    You know, your response wouldn't look so ignorant if you bothered trying to be something more than just insulting.
    What was your point when you said this?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    It may not be Christian but the formers of the nation had some religious ideas and symbols in mind. "In God We Trust" is still used on our currency.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    What was your point when you said this?
    The forefathers, seriously tried to separate church and state, and create a secular government, many of them having fled religious persecution. But there are many instances of religion, within the government in symbolism and words. It was just impossible for religious people to remove all connotations of their beliefs from every aspect of federal development.

    In the justice system they swear on the bible. We used to say the "Pledge of Allegiance" in school everyday. The Supreme Court Building had a frieze of Moses holding the Ten Commandments. The great Seal of the United States says, Annuit Coeptis, which translates roughly to “Providence favors our undertakings”. The whole Seal is basically a bunch of Latin and images favoring the divine.

    In the Declaration of Independence it states "all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights". I'm not going to attempt to list every little religious reference within the whole system, but it was certainly a part of daily life thru most of our earlier growth.

    Are you seriously that unaware of American history and the influences that religion, particularly Christianity had on our country? This whole current generation thinks we always worshiped commerce, war and materialism but it's simply not true. We were a nation of great ideas about fairness, equity, law and patriotic pride. We made the best products in the world at one time, and sought the highest endeavors and achievements that our imaginations could inspire. We won more medals at events than any other nation in the Olympics.

    It's sad that you lumped yourself in with the younger and less informed on your historic opinions?

    The issue of religious freedom has played a significant role in the history of the United States and the remainder of North America. Europeans came to America to escape religious oppression and forced beliefs by such state-affiliated Christian churches as the Roman Catholic Church and the Church of England. That civil unrest fueled the desire of America’s forefathers to establish the organization of a country in which the separation of church and state, and the freedom to practice one’s faith without fear of persecution, was guaranteed. That guarantee was enshrined in the First Amendment to the Constitution (text) as, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...”
    History of Religion in America

    IN 1639, a group of New England Puritans drafted a constitution affirming their faith in God and their intention to organize a Christian Nation. Delegates from the towns of Windsor, Hartford, and Wethersfield drew up the Fundamental Orders of Connecticut, which made clear that their government rested on divine authority and pursued godly purposes. The opening lines express the framers' trust in God and their dependence on his guidance: "Forasmuch as it hath pleased the All-mighty God by the wise disposition of his divyne providence so to Order and dispose of things, . . . [and] well knowing where a people are gathered togather the word of God requires that to mayntayne the peace and vnion of such a people there should be an orderly and decent Government established according to God, to order and dispose of the affayres of the people." Moreover, the aim of the government so instituted was religious: "to mayntayne and presearue the liberty and purity of the gospell of our Lord Jesus which we now professe, as also the disciplyne of the Churches, which according to the truth of the said gospell is now practised amongst vs."1 Like their neighbors in Massachusetts Bay, the Connecticut Puritans determined to plant a "Christian Commonwealth," what Governor John Winthrop hoped would become a "City upon a Hill" that would inspire believers everywhere as a model Christian Nation.2

    Those Puritan Fathers exemplify two of the most enduring views of colonial America: America as a haven of religious freedom, and America as a Christian Nation. First, the Puritan settlers had fled England, where Archbishop William Laud had persecuted them because they refused to subscribe to religious beliefs and practices that they deemed to be unscriptural. Now in the American wilderness, they were free to worship according to the dictates of their consciences, governed only by the rule of God's word. And, second, those Puritan Fathers organized a Christian State. They established their Congregational churches as the official religion of Connecticut, supported by tax revenues and defended by the coercive arm of government. The churches defined "heretics," and the state punished them, even to the point of executing those found guilty of "direct, express, presumptuous, or high-minded blasphemy." Moreover, citizenship in the state was directly tied to one's religious faith. The authors of the Fundamental Orders meant for only godly Christians to rule, an intention embodied in the oath of the governor, which committed the chief magistrate to govern "according to the rule of the word of God."3
    Sample Chapter for Lambert, F.: The Founding Fathers and the Place of Religion in America.
    Last edited by grip; 06-21-14 at 01:35 AM.
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