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Thread: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    Doesn't make the nation christian.
    It may not be Christian but the formers of the nation had some religious ideas and symbols in mind. "In God We Trust" is still used on our currency.


    The motto IN GOD WE TRUST was placed on United States coins largely because of the increased religious sentiment existing during the Civil War. Secretary of the Treasury Salmon P. Chase received many appeals from devout persons throughout the country, urging that the United States recognize the Deity on United States coins. From Treasury Department records, it appears that the first such appeal came in a letter dated November 13, 1861. It was written to Secretary Chase by Rev. M. R. Watkinson, Minister of the Gospel from Ridleyville, Pennsylvania, and read:


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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    It may not be Christian but the formers of the nation had some religious ideas and symbols in mind. "In God We Trust" is still used on our currency.
    I never denied that.

    As we can see in this thread qualities that one believes that define a nation varies from one person to another.
    For me a nation is defined by the culture, the actions of it's people, it's media, it's government, etc - all of that tied into one.

    I believe that while Christianity did have it's influence on this nation, and this nation could have been at one point accurately described as a Christian nation, our culture today is far removed from Christian beliefs, standards, morality, and it's teachings - So I don't believe it would be accurate to describe this country as Christian Nation. We are so multicultural now and influenced by some many other cultures, peoples, religions, and secularism that we are now different type of nation.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    I never denied that.

    As we can see in this thread qualities that one believes that define a nation varies from one person to another.
    For me a nation is defined by the culture, the actions of it's people, it's media, it's government, etc - all of that tied into one.

    I believe that while Christianity did have it's influence on this nation, and this nation could have been at one point accurately described as a Christian nation, our culture today is far removed from Christian beliefs, standards, morality, and it's teachings - So I don't believe it would be accurate to describe this country as Christian Nation. We are so multicultural now and influenced by some many other cultures, peoples, religions, and secularism that we are now different type of nation.
    Except much of our laws and value systems concerning freedom and fairness are derived from ancient religious beliefs. Before laws, the religions of the world were pretty much where society garnered it's morals and codes of conduct. "Thou shalt not kill" was not just a standard pulled from thin air, you shouldn't kill because it's immoral and a divine commandment.

    You can disassociate much of today's modern pop culture from religion, but much of civilization has it's foundation built on religious values, and that history can't be disengaged or removed by erroneous claims of atheistic beliefs as the only consideration.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Except much of our laws and value systems concerning freedom and fairness are derived from ancient religious beliefs. Before laws, the religions of the world were pretty much where society garnered it's morals and codes of conduct. "Thou shalt not kill" was not just a standard pulled from thin air, you shouldn't kill because it's immoral and a divine commandment.

    You can disassociate much of today's modern pop culture from religion, but much of civilization has it's foundation built on religious values, and that history can't be disengaged or removed by erroneous claims of atheistic beliefs as the only consideration.
    Well I disagree with you there. Especially with your notion that common principals found in all nations, such as don't kill people, are derivative of Christian teachings. Nor do I believe that Atheist have erroneous beliefs.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    Well I disagree with you there. Especially with your notion that common principals found in all nations, such as don't kill people, are derivative of Christian teachings. Nor do I believe that Atheist have erroneous beliefs.
    Most Christian teachings are very good. Even if you might not be religious you cannot deny that fact.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    It is a nation with Christians, not a Christian Nation.

    That is a HUGE distinction in my book.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Most Christian teachings are very good. Even if you might not be religious you cannot deny that fact.
    I don't deny that some philosophical principals in Christianity are good if not even beautifully written. however I find it very egotistical and false when Christians claim that they taught us not to kill, not to steal, not to do crime as if to think had Christianity not ever existed humans would have no way of discerning what is criminal and what isn't.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    I don't deny that some philosophical principals in Christianity are good if not even beautifully written. however I find it very egotistical and false when Christians claim that they taught us not to kill, not to steal, not to do crime as if to think had Christianity not ever existed humans would have no way of discerning what is criminal and what isn't.
    Well, I am of the belief that a lot of man-made religions were "created" to gain control over people. I think that people, back in ancient times, were quite brutal towards one another. I think that's where the saying "put the fear of God into them" comes from actually.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    Well I disagree with you there. Especially with your notion that common principals found in all nations, such as don't kill people, are derivative of Christian teachings. Nor do I believe that Atheist have erroneous beliefs.
    I said religions, plural, not just Christianity. And it's not an opinion, it's historical fact. I didn't say Atheists have erroneous beliefs, only that there trying to prove society was developed without religious values is erroneous. Religion in the US is not near as prevalent or socially important as it once was, which I'm not sure is necessarily a good thing. I'm not a fan of 'bible thumpers' or 'religious goody goodies', though I believe their effects on society aren't near as bad as many other activities, except for the fanatics of extremism overseas or some of the brutal, medieval Christian history.. A lot of beneficial charities and rescue missions were religion based, like 'Goodwill' or 'Salvation Army'.

    Almost anything in life capable of having a positive impact can have an equal and opposite negative one. Medication can become drugs, social drinks can become alcoholism, food for survival can become morbid obesity, political leadership can become greedy corrupt, incompetent officials, etc etc. To insinuate all religion as a bad influence or non source of positive social effects is either disingenuous or unknowledgeable.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Like saying, "This cup is filled 3/4 of the way with jello, but it's not a cup of jello". Next up: The sky isn't blue.
    You have it wrong even now. Whether the cup is 1/4, 1/2, 3/4 or completely filled with jello it is indeed a cup of jello. However, it is not a jello cup, which would it was a cup created of jello. It's also a cup of air, maybe whipped cream, sprinkles and whatever else is in the cup. BTW I've seen red skies, orange skies, even seen the green flash once. Oh yeah and star strewn black skies.
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