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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Of course it isn't. It's a multicultural, multi-religious nation. That includes non-religious. It's not Protestant, it's not Catholic, it's not Jewish, it's not Muslim, it's not atheist. It's everyone.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric7216 View Post
    It is troubling when people argue for the separation of church and state yet fall back on Judeo-Christian definitions. Sociologists normally don't equate belief in gods or deities with religion and tend to have a more inclusive, universal definition. For example, Buddhism, Unitarianism, and Juche are all considered religions despite lacking any belief in god. A religion is simply a: according to Wikipedia. Einstein's "god" or Jefferson's "endowed by their creator" is a deist god that is distinctly different from the theistic god.
    You are confusing my arguments. I was informing Eco that an Agnostic does not have to affiliate theirself with any religion to validate their belief.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Why does this nonsense keep coming up? Every year it seems someone has to ask this question???

    We are a nation of predominantly self described Christians. We have been this way for a long time and it will probably remain this way for a long time with the influx of spanish speaking peoples who are predominantly Christian.

    None of this makes us a "Christian nation" at all.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Yet you won't admit its a female nation. If majority Christians makes the U.S. a christian nation, majority women makes the U.S. a female nation using the same logic. Funny how you don't seem to apply the same standards when you are the one being excluded.

    uh, yes, females are the majority population,,males are the minority...

    if it brings you joy to call America a "female" nation, why would anyone object?

    we as individuals are free to call our country anything we want....christian, female, socialist,
    baseball, soccer,,,whatever....

    but that does beg the question.....
    at this point...





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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    You are confusing my arguments. I was informing Eco that an Agnostic does not have to affiliate theirself with any religion to validate their belief.
    Well, I was really continuing to respond to your initial posting on this thread. If 73% of Americans consider themselves Christian, as stated in your linked Wikipedia article, I would contend that we are a Christian country. I would also contend that you can take away any belief in god or Jesus being the son of god and you are still left with Christian morality. Atheists in the US tend to have Christian morality. Karl Marx came from a long line of Rabbis and his Marxism seems imbued with Christian morality despite the fact that he did not believe in god. Christianity is not simply the mythological stuff, it is also the ethical stuff. Take out god and you still have Christianity. I suspect that the majority of the 27% who claim that they are not Christians still retain a belief in Christian morality.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    Why does this nonsense keep coming up? Every year it seems someone has to ask this question???

    We are a nation of predominantly self described Christians. We have been this way for a long time and it will probably remain this way for a long time with the influx of spanish speaking peoples who are predominantly Christian.

    None of this makes us a "Christian nation" at all.
    Because Bodhisattva insisted that the default position, the common sense position, the intellectually savvy position was that we are a Christian Nation and anyone who knows anything knows that.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    I would say that most americans identify as christian, but only loosely, and our laws in the end don't operate as such. What i see in government is ceremonial crap like the senate doing a prayer before sessions, and politicians worshiping the votes they get by pretending to be christian (i think obama is atheist). That's about it.

    Look on this forum at the # of christians who can't even agree on what that label means and even accuse each other of not being "real christians." That 70% in polls doesn't mean a damn thing. If this was a "christian nation" then nothing else would be tolerated. History and even plenty of modern nations plainly tell us this.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    A Special thread for Bodhisattva.

    The United States is not a Christian Nation. That is my stance.

    A nation is defined by it's government and it's people - not only by it's majority. To refer to it as A Christian Nation is to falsely represent many Americans.

    Our Country grants freedom for all religions and lack thereof. Grand Cathedrals, churches, Temples, Mosques, and Conventions for Non Believers can be found all over this country. All of which are given equal respect and right to exist.
    Religion in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Our Government and thus our laws are entirely secular. There are a vast array of laws that directly contradict the teachings in the bible and thus God's will (i.e. laws regarding homosexuals, divorce, and other things considered blasphemous). Making the term "Christian Nation" ever more strange and obviously misplaced.

    There is no legitimate reason to refer to this Nation as Christian.
    It is nation of Christians. It isn't a Christian nation.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    If there is no notion, no concept, of a deity, then the possibility of its existence is irrelevant.
    You continue to connect the concept of a deity with some need for specifics of a deity. I can concept of a car without having any need to concept it as a Ford or a Chevy or a Honda, or a VW, etc. Agnostics don't have to concept the "make and model" of the deity(s) to concept the possibility of its/their existence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric7216 View Post
    Well, I was really continuing to respond to your initial posting on this thread. If 73% of Americans consider themselves Christian, as stated in your linked Wikipedia article, I would contend that we are a Christian country. I would also contend that you can take away any belief in god or Jesus being the son of god and you are still left with Christian morality. Atheists in the US tend to have Christian morality. Karl Marx came from a long line of Rabbis and his Marxism seems imbued with Christian morality despite the fact that he did not believe in god. Christianity is not simply the mythological stuff, it is also the ethical stuff. Take out god and you still have Christianity. I suspect that the majority of the 27% who claim that they are not Christians still retain a belief in Christian morality.
    This argument relies upon the premise that these morals are Christian in nature and origin. The simple truth is that they are not. Most morals are shared by many religions most of which are as old if not older than Christianity. You brought up Judaism. Christianity has its roots in Judaism which include its morals. Please provide an example of a moral the is strictly Christian in nature and origin.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    We are a nation of mostly Christians, but we are not a Christian nation. To be the later would mean that we are a theocracy, which, thank God, we are not.
    Like saying, "This cup is filled 3/4 of the way with jello, but it's not a cup of jello". Next up: The sky isn't blue.
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