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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    If there is no notion, no concept, of a deity, then the possibility of its existence is ir-re-****in-relevant.
    A deity is already a notion. Pondering whether THAT notion is possible or not or even possibly knowable is what Agnostism is. No extra notions need to be added.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    A deity is already a notion. Pondering whether THAT notion is possible or not or even possibly knowable is what Agnostism is. No extra notions need to be added.
    So you might believe something that you cannot describe. Very impressive position.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    So you might believe something you cannot describe. Very impressive position.
    I can describe what a deity is without having to assign it one of your identities.


    Deity - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

    1 the rank or essential nature of a god : divinity

    b capitalized : god 1, supreme being

    2. a god or goddess <the deities of ancient Greece>


    3: one exalted or revered as supremely good or powerful
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
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    Deity | Define Deity at Dictionary.com

    1.

    a god or goddess.


    2.

    divine character or nature, especially that of the Supreme Being; divinity.


    3.

    the estate or rank of a god: The king attained deity after his death.


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    a person or thing revered as a god or goddess: a society in which money is the only deity.


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    the Deity, God; Supreme Being.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    I can describe what a deity is without having to assign it one of your identities.
    My identities are not important. What's important is you have some concept of that which you may or may not believe. Without a concept of deity beyond definition your uncertainty is meaningless.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    My identities are not important. What's important is that you have some concept of that which you may or may not believe. Without a concept of deity, beyond definition, your uncertainty is meaningless.
    It's not meaningless at all. The concept of a deity is what agnostism is regarding. That is not meaningless.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I would argue that this is a heterosexual nation or a right handed nation... yes. It is.
    Yet you won't admit its a female nation. If majority Christians makes the U.S. a christian nation, majority women makes the U.S. a female nation using the same logic. Funny how you don't seem to apply the same standards when you are the one being excluded.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    As a Christian myself I can easily say America is not a christian nation. Never has been, never will be.
    THis is by design and this fact wont change unless we redo the constitution and everyone rights.

    It is a nation filled with mostly Christians though and like just about every single nation religion has played parts in its creation and laws.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    Yes I agree Christianity has left it's mark, but I don't believe it's a permanent mark - and current trends show that this country is redefining it's self as it always has. We are becoming more and more secular - many laws based in arbitrary social standards related to Christianity are being appealed. New generations are not only turning their back on faith but are actively fighting agaisnt strict traditional religious views on social standards.
    I don't know. We seem to be moving the opposite way and becoming a more Christian nation, unfortunately. Our founding document, the Constitution, lists as one of the missions of the country "to promote the general welfare". Now that is a nice, objective, secular, goal. Yet one of the main political issues today is wealth inequality and having programs to help the poor and the sick. Those are simply Christian values that have no place in a secular society. Sure, if it helps the GENERAL welfare to provide charity for the poor and sick than, fine, do it. But do it because it helps the general welfare. Don't do it out of a sense of "social justice" or some silly religious nonsense.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    It is troubling when people argue for the separation of church and state yet fall back on Judeo-Christian definitions. Sociologists normally don't equate belief in gods or deities with religion and tend to have a more inclusive, universal definition. For example, Buddhism, Unitarianism, and Juche are all considered religions despite lacking any belief in god. A religion is simply a:
    is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence.[
    according to Wikipedia. Einstein's "god" or Jefferson's "endowed by their creator" is a deist god that is distinctly different from the theistic god.

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