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Thread: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Honestly I really don't care either way and you need to relax, it's a conscious decision, not a disease. Contrary to some belief, simply seeing Christian symbols will not infect you.
    Lol why do you think I'm upset? Ironically this post makes it seem as if I got under your skin by creating this thread.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    It's a Christian nation in the sense that European countries are Christian nations or Israel is a Jewish nation. It is in ethnicity (if we can say such of Christians, Western in particular), not government.

    Of course, an Islamic nation is a different thing. That's not ethnicity, that's theocracy.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    Yes I agree Christianity has left it's mark, but I don't believe it's a permanent mark - and current trends show that this country is redefining it's self as it always has. We are becoming more and more secular - many laws based in arbitrary social standards related to Christianity are being appealed. New generations are not only turning their back on faith but are actively fighting agaisnt strict traditional religious views on social standards.
    Those are not totally related.

    As she pointed out, we were formed and still function based on certain moral standards that are rooted in Biblical tradition. I agree that many laws that were put into place, based on Biblical interpretation have been reversed over the years, not the least of which was legal slavery and Jim Crow laws. One of the next will be equality under the law for gays.

    However, this is in no way related to what you say here: "New generations are not only turning their back on faith but are actively fighting agaisnt (sic) strict traditional religious views on social standards." Many religions are transforming as well, with less focus on exclusion and more focus on inclusion; the Catholic Church through it's new Pope is an example. There are also many religions that are going strongly in the other direction; just look at the current unrest in the Middle East.

    So, you've conflated different issues to try and make a point, that many would agree with in part or in whole, but completely disagree with your reasoning.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It's a Christian nation in the sense that European countries are Christian nations or Israel is a Jewish nation.
    I'm not really sure what you mean by this.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    I'm not really sure what you mean by this.
    It's important, given such a general question, to recognize the difference between ethnicity and theocracy. Let's not equate a Christian US or Jewish Israel with an Islamic theocracy.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Those are not totally related.

    As she pointed out, we were formed and still function based on certain moral standards that are rooted in Biblical tradition. I agree that many laws that were put into place, based on Biblical interpretation have been reversed over the years, not the least of which was legal slavery and Jim Crow laws. One of the next will be equality under the law for gays.

    However, this is in no way related to what you say here: "New generations are not only turning their back on faith but are actively fighting agaisnt (sic) strict traditional religious views on social standards." Many religions are transforming as well, with less focus on exclusion and more focus on inclusion; the Catholic Church through it's new Pope is an example. There are also many religions that are going strongly in the other direction; just look at the current unrest in the Middle East.

    So, you've conflated different issues to try and make a point, that many would agree with in part or in whole, but completely disagree with your reasoning.
    Yeah. The wording I chose was off.

    I was referring to the decline in religious beliefs found in younger generations - my own and those below mine.
    But yes, you are correct about more liberal inclusiveness transforming Christianity at least, maybe Catholicism as well.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It's important, given such a general question, to recognize the difference between ethnicity and theocracy. Let's not equate a Christian US or Jewish Israel with an Islamic theocracy.
    I'm not seeing how our nation is christian though. Aside from many following the religion here - our standards and are social cues are very different than what the bible would dictate that we follow. I consider Uganda a christian nation - not only is it's people predominately Christian but it government actively enforces laws that are reflective of biblical teachings.

    Dress codes, homosexuality, women, etc - very strictly controlled in Uganda under their belief in God.
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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    But yes, you are correct about more liberal inclusiveness transforming Christianity at least, maybe Catholicism as well.
    I believe the Church's next reformation will be the inclusion of gays. Not just in tolerance but a recognition that homosexuality is not a sin but a ceremonial law, because there's no morality involved.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    I'm not seeing how our nation is christian though.
    Christianity is a fiber of our ethnic quilt as Americans. It provides a common line of reference for a majority of the population. If one can consider a religion an ethnicity, it's what we see in Western Christian countries. Israel is a bit different (a true ethnicity), and also nothing like a theocracy.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 06-19-14 at 08:07 PM.

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    Re: America is or is not a Christian Nation.

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