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    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    There is no party of freedom. Each party has specific people whose freedom it is trying to enhance at the expense of others. Despite the above libertarian circle-jerk, that party's policies enhance one's freedom in direct proportion to one's economic power. It only creates freedom for the rich. Of the existing parties (there isn't really an American socialist party), Democrats are probably the ones whose platforms would enhance freedom for the greatest number of people, and most of the freedoms they aim to take away are freedoms people shouldn't really want in the first place, like the freedom to pay women less money than men, or the freedom to discriminate against someone in the workplace because they're gay, or the freedom to impose one's religious views on the healthcare system.

    One freedom that the major parties and the supposedly superior libertarians can agree on, though, is the freedom to buy the allegiances of political candidates for their own economic gain.
    Democrats... party of freedom...

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    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You mean like me, who wants to legalize all drugs, who is against going into Syria and Iraq, who wants to cut the military by 50% and mind our own business yet does criticize Obama and Bush for spending us into oblivion? Sorry I don't measure up to your standards... but then again, I really don't care about your standards.
    Sorry, those who call themselves "Libertarian - Right" are just cowards who would like to believe they support limited govt. but don't have the fortitude to stand up to the pro-military US regime because doing so would jeopardize their standing w/mainstream America, which is always gung-ho for more war and more limits on freedom in the name of security (i. e. the "War on Terror")

    Every time there's a major terrorist attack in the US, we--the real Libertarians, have to worry about people like you because you will just jump up and down w/reactionary zeal and vote in the loonies that will remove even more freedoms in the name of "security" after such an incident.

    It takes a 9-11 to separate the real Libertarians (like moi) from the "Libertarian - Righties" who will scream "HELL YEAH LET'S GO KICK RAGHEAD ASS!" after such an event.

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    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    At no point have I ever advocated direct democracy or a lack of divided power. I know you have a bug up your bonnet about that, but in parlance describing our government, it is both democratic and republican, but republican is more of a subset of democratic. There is no need to quibble about the nomenclature. This is, for example, why having the supreme court's power of judicial review to check the legislature is important, despite how often you and yours tend to complain about it. It is divided power. This is why no one save for the liberal boogeymen who live in your MasterLiberty's heads want to move all power into the federal government. Having levels of government to check one another is another important part of divided power and republican government. I will repeat that no one is suggesting doing away with that. But that still doesn't allow for states to violate the federal constitution, or counties to violate state constitutions. While those upper tiers can check the actions of their lower tiers, it would still be wholly inappropriate for either to try to determine the placement of a stop sign in a town. No one is suggesting that congress should determine stop signs.

    So please, stop with the hyperbole and quibbling over terms even though we all know what we're talking about.
    I did not say direct democracy...I said [democracy] be it direct or representative, both are vile, and are the roads to socialism.

    Karl Marx- democracy is the road to socialism

    Lenin - democracy is indispensable to socialism

    democracy as a FORM of government is not liberty, it is a very factious run form of government, run by the few and powerful thru the guise "rule of the people".

    lobbyist run our government though the idea of democracy,.....power in only 1

    a republican form of government ...is power in 2, lobbying is more difficult when power is divided.

    democracy is a low form of government, were as republican government is a higher form and more complex.

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    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    There is no party of freedom.
    What about the Communist Party of the U.S? Their goal of turning diverse, unequal humans into a grey blocks of concrete equal in every respect seems pretty admirable.

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    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    Democrats... party of freedom...
    No, but they tend to more pro-freedom than the GOP (although the difference is negligible).

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    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    That wouldn't be you--a "libertarian right", someone who supports (or consistently votes for pols that support)

    1) Making it illegal for a business in the US to hire anyone he/she wants in the world at any time, regardless of the hiree's residency status.

    2) Shielding oil and coal cos. from liability for the damages they cause, so that they can create more jobs

    3) Waging endless war in the Middle East
    1.. who told you this
    2... who told you this
    3 ... who told you this

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    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Sorry, those who call themselves "Libertarian - Right" are just cowards who would like to believe they support limited govt. but don't have the fortitude to stand up to the pro-military US regime because doing so would jeopardize their standing w/mainstream America, which is always gung-ho for more war and more limits on freedom in the name of security (i. e. the "War on Terror")

    Every time there's a major terrorist attack in the US, we--the real Libertarians, have to worry about people like you because you will just jump up and down w/reactionary zeal and vote in the loonies that will remove even more freedoms in the name of "security" after such an incident.

    It takes a 9-11 to separate the real Libertarians (like moi) from the "Libertarian - Righties" who will scream "HELL YEAH LET'S GO KICK RAGHEAD ASS!" after such an event.
    If you represent real Libertarianism (which you don't), you can keep your BS to yourself. A real Libertarian isn't going to tell someone else how they should be, or act, or push their BS on others. You my friend talk to much and the nonsense you vomit out in your posts tell me views like yours give Libertarians a bad name. You'll forgive me if I flush you're views, the scent is a little too thick for my liking.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    The Gay Nazi Party.
    "Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough."
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    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    The Gay Nazi Party.
    What about the Popular Peoples Gay Nazi Save the Whales for Jesus Party?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    What about the Popular Peoples Gay Nazi Save the Whales for Jesus Party?
    Different strokes for different folks.
    "Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough."
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