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    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Only libertarians.
    By that, real Libertarians. Not the so-called "Libertarian - Right" wannabes who frequently pop up on this forum saying they favor limited govt. then turn around saying "hey yeah obama's just a sissy cuz he ain't goin' over there and kicking ass in Syria and Iraq w/another $100 trillion dollars of taxpayer debt."

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    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    I'm curios. How did you feel shackled by a republican? Was it a personal conflict? Was it a policy? What happened?
    I guess a lot of it is personal, I will admit and not political policies. However, since I am transgender and transitioning, that should say something about my struggles. I will gladly discuss more specifics about my personal life in a private chat or another thread if anyone wants to so as not to derail this thread.

    In general, however, Rebublicans would limit my access to employment, even in the public sector because of my transitioning and Republicans would limit who I could marry.

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    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    By that, real Libertarians. Not the so-called "Libertarian - Right" wannabes who frequently pop up on this forum saying they favor limited govt. then turn around saying "hey yeah obama's just a sissy cuz he ain't goin' over there and kicking ass in Syria and Iraq w/another $100 trillion dollars of taxpayer debt."
    You mean like me, who wants to legalize all drugs, who is against going into Syria and Iraq, who wants to cut the military by 50% and mind our own business yet does criticize Obama and Bush for spending us into oblivion? Sorry I don't measure up to your standards... but then again, I really don't care about your standards.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    disagree...... those who want democracy, and think the people rule under that form of government........ get the problems you described.

    only a true republican form of government of divided power, limits the problems you described.

    those who take democracy to be liberty are foolish indeed.
    At no point have I ever advocated direct democracy or a lack of divided power. I know you have a bug up your bonnet about that, but in parlance describing our government, it is both democratic and republican, but republican is more of a subset of democratic. There is no need to quibble about the nomenclature. This is, for example, why having the supreme court's power of judicial review to check the legislature is important, despite how often you and yours tend to complain about it. It is divided power. This is why no one save for the liberal boogeymen who live in your MasterLiberty's heads want to move all power into the federal government. Having levels of government to check one another is another important part of divided power and republican government. I will repeat that no one is suggesting doing away with that. But that still doesn't allow for states to violate the federal constitution, or counties to violate state constitutions. While those upper tiers can check the actions of their lower tiers, it would still be wholly inappropriate for either to try to determine the placement of a stop sign in a town. No one is suggesting that congress should determine stop signs.

    So please, stop with the hyperbole and quibbling over terms even though we all know what we're talking about.
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    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    You may be a bit confused here. A mainstream republican is more likely to vote for policies that provide for food assistance and healthcare assistance than a libertarian. With out question the libertarian is more in the individualist camp, however both libertarians and republicans are strong advocates for private charitable giving.
    I agree that they would have a better chance but they would put many restrictions on other parts of my life. I would rather live in a world where I might starve then in a world where I am forced to be someone I am not.

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    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    After the warning, I couldn't reply in thread. But I did think the topic deserved it's own:






    Of course the only people I've heard say that are hardcore Dems. Just like hard core Repubs will say the Republicans are (cue Nick denying that he's a Republican even though he never says anything but their party line).

    Who is it, then?


    I have no choice but to go with Rutabaga. Both seek restrictions of some kind, just and / or unjust. Neither is expanding freedom.

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    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    a party who believes in no force or coercion on other people.
    That wouldn't be you--a "libertarian right", someone who supports (or consistently votes for pols that support)

    1) Making it illegal for a business in the US to hire anyone he/she wants in the world at any time, regardless of the hiree's residency status.

    2) Shielding oil and coal cos. from liability for the damages they cause, so that they can create more jobs

    3) Waging endless war in the Middle East

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    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    By that, real Libertarians. Not the so-called "Libertarian - Right" wannabes who frequently pop up on this forum saying they favor limited govt. then turn around saying "hey yeah obama's just a sissy cuz he ain't goin' over there and kicking ass in Syria and Iraq w/another $100 trillion dollars of taxpayer debt."
    Maybe I dont frequent the right forums but I havent seen any Libertarians supporting most wars.

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    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I have choice but to go with Rutabaga. Both seek restrictions of some kind, just and / or unjust. Neither is expanding freedom.
    When your view of freedom is more government bureaucracy, regulation and larger oversight to enforce liberal justice... I'd rather you go with Rutabaga as well. Freedom is about leaving people alone to do live their lives how they want to live them. Not baby sit people and force bull**** regulations "for their own good" because some moron somewhere in government thinks they know better than the individual person does.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    When your view of freedom is more government bureaucracy, regulation and larger oversight to enforce liberal justice... I'd rather you go with Rutabaga as well. Freedom is about leaving people alone to do live their lives how they want to live them. Not baby sit people and force bull**** regulations "for their own good" because some moron somewhere in government thinks they know better than the individual person does.
    There's no difference in the parties on that. It's just a matter of where they push that influence.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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