View Poll Results: Who is the party of Freedom?

Voters
44. You may not vote on this poll
  • Democrats

    5 11.36%
  • Republicans

    9 20.45%
  • The Free Bacon Party

    13 29.55%
  • Rutabaga

    17 38.64%
Page 4 of 13 FirstFirst ... 23456 ... LastLast
Results 31 to 40 of 123

Thread: Who is the Party of freedom?

  1. #31
    Uncanny
    Paschendale's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    New York City
    Last Seen
    03-31-16 @ 04:08 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    12,510

    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterLiberty View Post
    #1. Sounds to me like you think libertarians= republicans. Totally not the case Libertarians believe in minimal government intervention and more freedoms for all people, you seem to equate freedom with an "economic safety net" and the inability to fail socially (Hence why you are a socialist I suppose).

    #2. Democrats want to quell free speech, your right to bear arms, they want to quell state's rights, they want everyone to be beholden to the almighty fed.
    Most libertarians are Republicans, but that's not really the issue at all. A democratic government serves to keep powerful individuals in check so that they don't trample everyone else. Libertarians advocate for a government that is too weak to protect people from oppression. Too weak to do things like keep money out of politics, prohibit discrimination, or fund legal aid for poor people. In every instance, powerful demographics enjoy legal privileges over the less powerful, and most especially wealthy classes over poorer ones.

    No (because spending money is not and should not be speech), yes (but it's a right that is dragging us down as a nation), no (the federal only overrules the states when they try to do something unconstitutional), and no (this one is just stupid).
    Liberté. Égalité. Fraternité.

  2. #32
    Mixed Government advocate
    Master PO's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    93,000,000 miles from Earth where its very Hot
    Last Seen
    11-30-17 @ 01:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    31,331

    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Laws by their very nature force or coerce people into either doing things or not doing things. So unless you are an anarchist there is no such party.
    no.....if I exercise a right, government has no authority to use force/ coercion on me,......if I exercise a privilege created by government, then government can force /coercion on me.

    example :driving a car on public roads in not a right, therefore government can make me do things, in order that I may drive on them.

  3. #33
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Last Seen
    08-29-17 @ 09:28 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    16,575

    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    no.....if I exercise a right, government has no authority to use force/ coercion on me,......if I exercise a privilege created by government, then government can force /coercion on me.

    example :driving a car on public roads in not a right, therefore government can make me do things, in order that I may drive on them.
    It already does coerce you with laws. If you murder someone you will go to prison or worse. If you assault someone, you will go to jail. That is coersion. Like I said before ALL lsaws are coercive or forceful in nature.

    If you have government, you have laws. If you have laws, you have forceful or coercive rules in effect.

  4. #34
    Mixed Government advocate
    Master PO's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    93,000,000 miles from Earth where its very Hot
    Last Seen
    11-30-17 @ 01:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    31,331

    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Most libertarians are Republicans, but that's not really the issue at all. A democratic government serves to keep powerful individuals in check so that they don't trample everyone else. Libertarians advocate for a government that is too weak to protect people from oppression. Too weak to do things like keep money out of politics, prohibit discrimination, or fund legal aid for poor people. In every instance, powerful demographics enjoy legal privileges over the less powerful, and most especially wealthy classes over poorer ones.

    No (because spending money is not and should not be speech), yes (but it's a right that is dragging us down as a nation), no (the federal only overrules the states when they try to do something unconstitutional), and no (this one is just stupid).


    disagree...... those who want democracy, and think the people rule under that form of government........ get the problems you described.

    only a true republican form of government of divided power, limits the problems you described.

    those who take democracy to be liberty are foolish indeed.

  5. #35
    Mixed Government advocate
    Master PO's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    93,000,000 miles from Earth where its very Hot
    Last Seen
    11-30-17 @ 01:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    31,331

    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    It already does coerce you with laws. If you murder someone you will go to prison or worse. If you assault someone, you will go to jail. That is coersion. Like I said before ALL lsaws are coercive or forceful in nature.

    If you have government, you have laws. If you have laws, you have forceful or coercive rules in effect.
    sorry but wrong........to perform the actions you stated is a rights violation of another person.

    government is instituted for the purpose of protection of rights.


    I don't have a RIGHT to violate rights of other people.

  6. #36
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Last Seen
    08-29-17 @ 09:28 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    16,575

    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry but wrong........to perform the actions you stated is a rights violation of another person.

    government is instituted for the purpose of protection of rights.


    I don't have a RIGHT to violate rights of other people.
    Those are still laws that coerce someone or force someone to do something. You are not free to do whatever you want, when you want, that is why we have laws. You set the goal posts at violation of rights of others.

    I'll give you one. Abortion. If you are pro-life, you are violating the woman's right to her OWN body. If you are pro-choice, you are violating the rights of the fetus. Yes, I know there is arguments to both, however, that doesn't stop the fact that in both ways, someone is getting violated.

    You will never have a completely free to do as you want society, because there will ALWAYS be laws to coerce or force you to do something.

  7. #37
    Mixed Government advocate
    Master PO's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    93,000,000 miles from Earth where its very Hot
    Last Seen
    11-30-17 @ 01:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    31,331

    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Those are still laws that coerce someone or force someone to do something. You are not free to do whatever you want, when you want, that is why we have laws. You set the goal posts at violation of rights of others.

    I'll give you one. Abortion. If you are pro-life, you are violating the woman's right to her OWN body. If you are pro-choice, you are violating the rights of the fetus. Yes, I know there is arguments to both, however, that doesn't stop the fact that in both ways, someone is getting violated.

    You will never have a completely free to do as you want society, because there will ALWAYS be laws to coerce or force you to do something.
    sorry you don't understand rights..........

    I have rights and they end where yours begin.

    anytime my rights run afoul on your rights, then government can use force/coercion.

    however if I am NOT, AGAIN NOT, violating anyone else's rights, and I am not causing a health and safety problem to the public, in exercising my rights....government has no authority to apply force to me, or coercion.

    government is here to secure rights...THAT IS ITS FUNCTION.

  8. #38
    Sage
    mpg's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Milford, CT
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:20 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    7,770

    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    Who is the Party of freedom?-4837784-_adf5c32c6fd58bd145eea3ee53a582f1-jpg
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

  9. #39
    Sage
    Perotista's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Georgia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 09:49 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    17,960
    Blog Entries
    25

    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    After the warning, I couldn't reply in thread. But I did think the topic deserved it's own:






    Of course the only people I've heard say that are hardcore Dems. Just like hard core Repubs will say the Republicans are (cue Nick denying that he's a Republican even though he never says anything but their party line).

    Who is it, then?
    none of the above would be my reply. neither is interested in preserving freedom, each is only interested in pushing and accomplishing their political agenda.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

  10. #40
    Educator Amandi's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Location
    Delaware
    Last Seen
    06-19-15 @ 02:23 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    905
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry you don't understand rights..........

    I have rights and they end where yours begin.

    anytime my rights run afoul on your rights, then government can use force/coercion.

    however if I am NOT, AGAIN NOT, violating anyone else's rights, and I am not causing a health and safety problem to the public, in exercising my rights....government has no authority to apply force to me, or coercion.

    government is here to secure rights...THAT IS ITS FUNCTION.
    I mostly feel this way as well but the reason I am not Libertarian is I usually feel the rights of the people extend further than Libertarians do. Another difference I have is I believe that certain things should be gauranteed to people, ie not starving and basic healthcare.

    If I had to chhose, I would rather live in a Libertarian state than a Republican state though.

Page 4 of 13 FirstFirst ... 23456 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •