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    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by amandi View Post
    the united states shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence.

    This says to me that the us will guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, not that the us requires a republican form of government from every state in this union.
    then you miss reading it from william rawle.

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    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    The Libertarian party, whoever they may be, take no responsibility for decades of their votes .
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    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    then you miss reading it from william rawle.
    He is just another expert who disagrees with different experts.

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    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by amandi View Post
    he is just another expert who disagrees with different experts.
    well what about james madsion, father of the constitution, creator of the bill of rights, when he says states have a republican form in federalist 39

    Could any further proof be required of the republican complexion of this system, the most decisive one might be found in its absolute prohibition of titles of nobility, both under the federal and the State governments; and in its express guaranty of the republican form to each of the latter.
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    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    The Libertarian party, whoever they may be, take no responsibility for decades of their votes .
    huh?.....

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    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    Libertarian party.

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    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well what about james madsion, father of the constitution, creator of the bill of rights, when he says states have a republican form in federalist 39

    Could any further proof be required of the republican complexion of this system, the most decisive one might be found in its absolute prohibition of titles of nobility, both under the federal and the State governments; and in its express guaranty of the republican form to each of the latter.
    Again, not a definitive definition of Republic.

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    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

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    Again, not a definitive definition of Republic.

    sorry but that is not what you stated to which i answered you.....

    i answered this statement from you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

    This says to me that the US will guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, not that the US requires a Republican Form of Government from every State in this Union.
    again.... i produced the father of the Constitution saying states must be republican.

    Madison - Could any further proof be required of the republican complexion of this system, the most decisive one might be found in its absolute prohibition of titles of nobility, both under the federal and the State governments; and in its express guaranty of the republican form to each of the latter.

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    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry but that is not what you stated to which i answered you.....

    i answered this statement from you.



    again.... i produced the father of the Constitution saying states must be republican.

    Madison - Could any further proof be required of the republican complexion of this system, the most decisive one might be found in its absolute prohibition of titles of nobility, both under the federal and the State governments; and in its express guaranty of the republican form to each of the latter.
    Ok, you are correct. I phrased that badly. I acknowledge that the US is set up to have a republican form of government. I was trying to state by the wording of article 4 it does not make it clear what exactly that is by stating from my reading of the article that is what it sounds like, the US only insurers a state can have a republican form of government. I have done enough reading of experts who disagree with me to know that my interpretation is wrong. However, a lot of those experts disagree with each other about what exactly a republican form of government is.

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    Re: Who is the Party of freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    Ok, you are correct. I phrased that badly. I acknowledge that the US is set up to have a republican form of government. I was trying to state by the wording of article 4 it does not make it clear what exactly that is by stating from my reading of the article that is what it sounds like, the US only insurers a state can have a republican form of government. I have done enough reading of experts who disagree with me to know that my interpretation is wrong. However, a lot of those experts disagree with each other about what exactly a republican form of government is.
    here is how is is made republican......by the constitution.

    The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.

    The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, chosen by the Legislature thereof for six Years; and each Senator shall have one Vote.

    Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

    as stated in the federalist 40..the constitution creates a "mixed government"

    the Roman republic is a mixed government also

    A Mixed government or mixed constitution is a form of government where different sized groups of people control different types of issues. It integrates different forms of government, like democracy, oligarchy, and monarchy. Mixed government means that there are some issues where the state is governed by the majority of the people, in some other issues the state is governed by few, in some other issues by a single person, often defined in a constitution. Today, this idea is commonly seen as a precursor to that of separation of powers.

    Mixed governments was common in Ancient Rome.

    Mixed government - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    roman government:

    Consuls - The Monarchical Branch of Roman Government in the Roman Republic:

    Two magistrates called consuls carried on the functions of the former kings, holding supreme civil and military authority in Republican Rome. However, unlike the kings, the office of consul lasted for only one year. At the end of their year in office, the ex-consuls became senators for life, unless ousted by the censors.
    Powers of the Consuls:

    Senate - The Aristocratic Branch of Roman Government in the Roman Republic:

    Senate (senatus = council of elders [related to the word "senior"]) was the advisory branch of the Roman government, early on composed of about 300 citizens who served for life. They were chosen by the kings, at first, then by the consuls, and by the end of the 4th century, by the censors. The ranks of the Senate, drawn from ex-consuls and other officers. Property requirements changed with the era. At first senators were only patricians but in time plebeians joined their ranks.


    Assembly - The Democratic Branch of Roman Government in the Roman Republic:

    The Assembly of Centuries (comitia centuriata), which was composed of all members of the army, elected consuls annually. The Assembly of Tribes (comitia tributa), composed of all citizens, approved or rejected laws and decided issues of war and peace.


    http://ancienthistory.about.com/cs/r...omerepgovt.htm

    a republican form of government employs only an element of democracy , which is the house, ......the senate and president are .......non democratic votes.

    what you get from our of a mixed government is divided power, the states have 1/2 power, and the people have 1/2 of the power.......since the people do not have all power they cannot become the "MOB", since the senate does not have all the power, it cannot rule america as an oligarchy...........power is balanced.

    in democracy there is no balance, because only the people have power and they can become the ......"MOB"


    WHAT DO WE KNOW AS FACTS?...

    Rome was a republic....fact.

    Rome had its power of its republic with power divided....fact.

    america was created a republic......fact.

    america HAD its power divided, before the 17th amendment......fact, ........because the house and senate were elected by two different ways...one by the people, and one by the states.
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