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Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

Was the Iraq War Worth it?

  • Yes

    Votes: 5 6.4%

  • No

    Votes: 65 83.3%

  • Other

    Votes: 8 10.3%
  • Total voters
    78
ocean515 said:
I believe hindsight serves little purpose, hence the "20/20" that goes along with it.

If one is to fantasize, it was foolish to think these people from the dark ages would want to be part of any form of civilized modern society in the first place.
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Hindsight alone is not wisdom and second guessing is not a strategy. ~George W Bush - State of the Union January 31, 2006.

http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/stateoftheunion/2006/ (15th Paragraph from the top, last sentence)

George W Bush said:
Our coalition has learned from our experience in Iraq. We've adjusted our military tactics and changed our approach to reconstruction. Along the way, we have benefitted from responsible criticism and counsel offered by members of Congress of both parties. In the coming year, I will continue to reach out and seek your good advice. Yet, there is a difference between responsible criticism that aims for success, and defeatism that refuses to acknowledge anything but failure. (Applause.) Hindsight alone is not wisdom, and second-guessing is not a strategy. (Applause.)
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Dezaad said:
I passionately didn't think it was worth it beforehand, so I still get to say it wasn't worth it now :)

I thought Bush was lying. I thought destabilizing Iraq was foolish. Pretty much I was right.
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Yes you do.

A study of IAEA documents submitted to the UN show Bush was not lying, and the meme has instructed followers to say. As to Iraq itself, it was a mistake to think these people were anything but things evolution has being trying to remove from the planet.
 
Hard Truth said:
Hindsight should be used to avoid repeating past mistakes.

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Baghdad before the US invasion, looks pretty civilized to me.

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Baghdad after the US invasion

Whose the barbarian(s)?

"And once we'd ......gotten rid of Saddam Hussein and his government, then we'd have had to put another government in its place. What kind of government? Should it be a Sunni government or Shi'i government or a Kurdish government or Ba'athist regime? Or maybe we want to bring in some of the Islamic fundamentalists? How long would we have had to stay in Baghdad to keep that government in place? What would happen to the government once U.S. forces withdrew? How many casualties should the United States accept in that effort to try to create clarity and stability in a situation that is inherently unstable? I think it is vitally important for a President to know when to use military force. I think it is also very important for him to know when not to commit U.S. military force. And it's my view that the President got it right both times, that it would have been a mistake for us to get bogged down in the quagmire inside Iraq."
Dick Cheney 1991
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Who are the barbarians? I think that is well known. It's time to let the barbarians kill each other off, and assist in the process of evolution ending their kind.
 
ecofarm said:
You don't consider firing, as a government, on US planes that are enforcing a no-fly zone instituted by the UN (to prevent further genocide) to be an attack on the US?

Are you claiming governments can attack our military and we will not consider it an attack on the US?
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I wasn't talking about a military strike.
 
ecofarm said:
Ok but Saddam attacked the US, right?
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I don't know. I know next to nothing about military strikes from 10+ years ago. I had little kids and seldom watched the news.

All I know is that they didn't attack US soil, Eco. I never felt threatened by Iraq, even when the garble started during the Clinton years about their WMD.
 
tres borrachos said:
I don't know. I know next to nothing about military strikes from 10+ years ago. I had little kids and seldom watched the news.

All I know is that they didn't attack US soil, Eco. I never felt threatened by Iraq, even when the garble started during the Clinton years about their WMD.
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I think it's a bad idea to claim a country never attacked the US when the government of that country targeted US military assets.
 
ecofarm said:
I value those I know more, that's human nature. But I still value the lives of strangers. These things are not mutually exclusive.
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Does that Include Stranger Danger? Do you value Strangers lives that are Bad men too? :lol:
 
tres borrachos said:
Okay, then you know more than I do and you were in favor of the Iraq War.
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I'm just saying. If you want to claim "Saddam never attacked US soil", fine. But I think it sets bad precedent to claim an attack on the US military is not an attack on the US.
 
ecofarm said:
I'm just saying. If you want to claim "Saddam never attacked US soil", fine. But I think it sets bad precedent to claim an attack on the US military is not an attack on the US.
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Let me rephrase my original post.

I'm not a fan of pre-emptive strikes on a country that never attacked us on our soil.

Better?
 
MMC said:
Does that Include Stranger Danger? Do you value Strangers lives that are Bad men too? :lol:
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I'm against the death penalty. I even value the lives of terrorists that must nonetheless be killed. I value the life of a fetus, be it a person or not. I value the lives of animals. I value every part of an ecosystem, animate and not.

None of that prevents self defense and the defense of others.
 
tres borrachos said:
Let me rephrase my original post.

I'm not a fan of pre-emptive strikes on a country that never attacked us on our soil.

Better?
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I already said I've no problem with claiming "US soil".
 
ecofarm said:
I'm against the death penalty. I even value the lives of terrorists that must nonetheless be killed. I value the life of a fetus, be it a person or not. I value the lives of animals. I value every part of an ecosystem, animate and not.

None of that prevents self defense and the defense of others.
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Are all men created equal? What about Women, are all women created equal? Some strangers lives saved.....can mean the death of others. Many others.....just sayin.

What do you mean you are against the death penalty? Do you mean thru Government?
 
MMC said:
Are all men created equal? What about Women, are all women created equal?
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Of course not. Women are evil. Everyone knows that.

Some strangers lives saved.....can mean the death of others. Many others.....just sayin.
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Volunteers only.

What do you mean you are against the death penalty? Do you mean thru Government?
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Well, I disagree with anyone killing a helpless harmless lifetime captive.
 
ecofarm said:
Of course not. Women are evil. Everyone knows that.



Volunteers only.



Well, I disagree with anyone killing a helpless harmless lifetime captive.
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I'm good with that. ;)

What if asked you to kill him all due to his suffering? Coin Toss? :lol:
 
Hindsight is valuable because it gives us a perspective to learn from our mistakes and, hopefully, not make the same mistakes in the future.

Then again, the human species seems hell-bent on repeating history ad nauseam, so maybe we're screwed anyway. :shrug:
 
CRUE CAB said:
You seem to forget whom we brought to justice.
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You seem to forget the thousands of Americans dying in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as the hundreds of thousands of Iraiq/Afghanistan civilians killed and the MILLIONS displaced.
 
Think of all the great things that could have been done with that trillion dollars, scientific research, infrastructure improvements, STEM education, medical research, a shuttle replacement that would be flying now, job training, tax cuts, more oil drilling in our own country, more research into alternative energy, etc, etc, etc.

All that money poured down a rat hole and spent on weapons with defense contractors. A whole lot of good could have been made with that money, or better yet, we could have spent a tenth of it and still do all the great things listed above, and keep from spending the rest. How long does it take to replace all that dough?

It all boils down to religion, centuries old feuds, none of our business. Hitchens said it: "Religion ruins everything"

I bought all the spin about the war, and supported it, fool me once, shame on me, but if you want me to open my checkbook to go back? Well, no, stop wasting my money and the lives and bodies of our kids.
 
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