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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Except that you know perfectly well that I mean the seeds were very fresh and the ground very fertile and well watered in the case of Iraq.
    You could definitely say that. Or, you could have said that the Iraqi people were weary from a long war against a brutal foe whom they were happy to have achieved victory over, and would be unlikely to support someone calling for an AQ-aligned Islamist state for at least a generation. Both those arguments would have been plausible. Then Egypt and Libya blew up long before Iraq did - who would have said that their seeds were fresh and well watered? Or Syria's?

    Because collapse is plausible does not make it imminent or even probable.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Really... the victims of genocide, twice, and invading neighbors, twice, and institutionalized rape, mass killings and intentional starvation... Were to rise up and throw off their chains alone?

    Who told you that was possible? And I suppose North Koreans could do that too, if they were good people, right?

    Sure, people are oppressed because they're bad and not because they're helpless.
    That wasnt why we invaded Iraq. If it was, why dont/didnt we invade NK? Rwanda? Zimbabwe? Cuba?

    It was an afterthought, an excuse and we didnt even think it thru...we had our own agenda and then said, "and we'll bring them democracy.' With little understanding of the culture and no real plan.

    And it's worked out perfectly, as you can see.
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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Hard to say.

    Some good came out of it. Hussein is gone, and he was a bad man, and who knows what would have happened had he not been removed.

    I'm not a fan of pre-emptively striking a country that didn't attack us first, and to my knowledge Iraq never attacked us, so in that regard, it was wrong.
    You don't consider firing, as a government, on US planes that are enforcing a no-fly zone instituted by the UN (to prevent further genocide) to be an attack on the US?

    Are you claiming governments can attack our military and we will not consider it an attack on the US?


    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    That wasnt why we invaded Iraq. If it was, why dont/didnt we invade NK? Rwanda? Zimbabwe? Cuba?
    You've never heard of priorities? Perhaps someone could explain how those work and why. You do realize that the US cannot do everything at the same time, right? And that failing to do everything at the same time is not an indication of hypocrisy, I hope.

    Regarding nK, it's not a good idea to invade a regime with nukes. Regarding Cuba, we did invade but JFK chickened out at the air support.

    It was an afterthought, an excuse and we didnt even think it thru...we had our own agenda and then said, "and we'll bring them democracy.' With little understanding of the culture and no real plan.

    And it's worked out perfectly, as you can see.
    Yeah, sure. The US is an evil monster that never really wants to do anything good. Great Satan.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 06-19-14 at 06:20 AM.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Really... the victims of genocide, twice, and invading neighbors, twice, and institutionalized rape, mass killings and intentional starvation... Were to rise up and throw off their chains alone?

    Who told you that was possible? And I suppose North Koreans could do that too, if they were good people, right?

    Sure, people are oppressed because they're bad and not because they're helpless.
    So then it was a humanitarian intervention?

    Would you support our military invading every country on the planet that has a government that abuses their citizens & their human rights? Or are there countries, like Saudi Arabia, that are immune from our humanitarian interventions? And is there a specific body count that raises to the level of needing U.S. humanitarian intervention?

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    So then it was a humanitarian intervention?
    Ask the Kurds and Marsh Arabs, what's left of them.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Ask the Kurds and Marsh Arabs, what's left of them.
    The ones that President George H.W. Bush let get slaughtered after telling them to rise up against Saddam?

    Would you support our military invading every country on the planet that has a government that abuses their citizens & their human rights? Or are there countries, like Saudi Arabia, that are immune from our humanitarian interventions? And is there a specific body count that raises to the level of needing U.S. humanitarian intervention?
    Last edited by Jango; 06-19-14 at 06:58 AM.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    The ones that President George H.W. Bush let get slaughtered after telling them to rise up against Saddam?
    Of course... the US is responsible for the genocide Saddam committed. I should have guessed.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    In terms of human loss and sacrifice, no.

    In terms of time and money spent, no.

    total loss, but America needs to take care of the people she sent there to fight.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Of course... the US is responsible for the genocide Saddam committed. I should have guessed.
    No, we're not responsible but we're not blameless either.

    Would you support our military invading every country on the planet that has a government that abuses their citizens & their human rights? Or are there countries, like Saudi Arabia, that are immune from our humanitarian interventions? And is there a specific body count that raises to the level of needing U.S. humanitarian intervention?

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    No, we're not responsible but we're not blameless either.
    Only Saddam is to blame for his genocide.

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