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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Got rid of a secular leader who was an enemy of your enemies and a potential ally in the region.
    Good move, that.
    He was kind of a douche and his sons were worse. Gassing his own people, rape parties, you know... normal ME high class living.
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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    He was kind of a douche and his sons were worse. Gassing his own people, rape parties, you know... normal ME high class living.
    He was, and they were, but that kind of thing has never been relevant before.
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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    He was, and they were, but that kind of thing has never been relevant before.
    It was in Libya, it was in Syria with the red line even though thank god we didn't get involved in that **** hole. Perhaps not before 2000 though... you may have a point there.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    He was kind of a douche and his sons were worse. Gassing his own people, rape parties, you know... normal ME high class living.
    Saddam was an asshole ... but know this, like the Shah in Iran , he was our asshole.
    The USA put them into power and much of the animosity those people have against us is the direct result of those actions.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Saddam was an asshole ... but know this, like the Shah in Iran , he was our asshole.
    The USA put them into power and much of the animosity those people have against us is the direct result of those actions.
    If he was our asshole, he was ours to take out. I just wish we didn't stick around for the after party.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    There are no winners in a war. So it's not worth it.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Saddam was an asshole ... but know this, like the Shah in Iran , he was our asshole.
    The USA put them into power and much of the animosity those people have against us is the direct result of those actions.
    Classic victim blaming.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    If he was our asshole, he was ours to take out. I just wish we didn't stick around for the after party.
    Agreed.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    That was one of the reason used to justify dragging out the Viet Nam war-so that "all the lost US lives won't be wasted." That is a stupid reason, its like giving a con man more money so the money you gave him before won't be wasted. The lives are already wasted and nothing we do now will change that fact.



    When he agreed to send more troops to Afghanistan, he insisted on a timetable for pulling them out. When he decided to intervene in Libya, he used only air power and made sure that NATO allies took the lead. When the Syrian civil war broke out, he resisted calls to step in even with air power or, for a long time, arms for the rebels. The longer he has been in office, the more skeptical he seems to have grown about the utility of force as a means of changing the world for the better.

    Even as he acknowledged on Friday the possibility of using force again in Iraq, he put the onus on Mr. Maliki and other Iraqi leaders to set aside sectarian differences and stabilize their country. “The United States will do our part,” he said, “but understand that ultimately it’s up to the Iraqis, as a sovereign nation, to solve their problems.”

    Still, those who have spent time around Mr. Obama heard deep frustration in his voice as he spoke about the prospect of re-engaging in Iraq. “I can only imagine what’s going through the president’s head,” said Julianne Smith, a former national security aide to Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.

    “He was just getting to the point where he felt he could free himself from this agenda and not define his foreign policy solely on the last guy’s,” she said. “He’s been keen not to use Bush as a reference point and get away from that and be more forward-looking and have a strategy. And he was just turning a corner when this hit.”.....snip~


    Now his mistake in Syria is doing what? What did it allow ISIS to do? Why did he walk away from diplomacy with Maliki, again? Now he figured it all out. After the fact and while he was setting a SOFA for Afghanistan. All at the same time.

    Oh and with Libya.....who took the lead? Who was the Last Western Outpost in the Wild Wild West?

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I agree with Beaudreaux. I know what you mean, but I think there's a different way to say it. Better might be, "Do you think our strategy in Iraq ended in a cluster****?" Yeah, I like that.
    The whole strategy going into Iraq was messed up. That is precisely why Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney said we shouldn't for the reasons that happened. If Vice President Cheney and Bush had listened to Secretary of Defense Cheney, Iraq wouldn't be the mess it is now.

    In Obama's hurry to close it down, he left this country in a mess. We have troops stationed all over the damned world on a permanent basis. Why not here? This country's stability is most certainly of great importance to the United States.

    Obama was dead wrong.
    Oh yes, let's just stay in Iraq (when they don't want us there) for 100 years like McCain said. Yeah, that's the ticket.

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