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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Because the true motivations behind the Iraq War were never revealed to us, we do not even know what the point of the Iraq War was to begin with.
    We never got the WMDs. But we never expected to.

    If someone thinks it was worth it or could of been worth it "if only"... I'd sure like to know what that worth is.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    got SOFA ?
    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I agree with Beaudreaux. I know what you mean, but I think there's a different way to say it. Better might be, "Do you think our strategy in Iraq ended in a cluster****?" Yeah, I like that.

    In Obama's hurry to close it down, he left this country in a mess. We have troops stationed all over the damned world on a permanent basis. Why not here? This country's stability is most certainly of great importance to the United States.

    Obama was dead wrong.
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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    2011 is not 2014.
    Heya Maggie if they want go go back that far.....then they can look at what his Iraq Policy was always about and from the get go. BO's Beginning and all its uhm.....erm....oh yeah, so called glory.


    Barack Obama's "New Plan" For Failure
    September 13, 2007, 9:32 AM By Frederick W. Kagan.

    In a speech that will no doubt be hailed by the left as bold and original, Senator Barack Obama today unveiled "his" plan for a "responsible" withdrawal of U.S. combat forces from Iraq by the end of 2009. The plan may be bold, but it is certainly not original. In fact, Obama's plan is extremely similar to one unveiled in June by the Center for a New American Strategy called "Phased Transition: A Responsible Way Forward and Out of Iraq." Like the CNAS report, Obama's plan calls for the withdrawal of almost all American combat forces from Iraq by the time the next president takes office (oddly enough), but purports to offer ways to achieve vital American goals in Iraq without using U.S. forces in combat, including continuing the fight against al Qaeda in Iraq, helping the Iraqis achieve political reconciliation, preventing the Iraq struggle from becoming a regional war, and preventing genocide within Iraq (the CNAS report called its objectives "the three nos:" no al Qaeda, no regional war, and no genocide, and also argued that its approach would enable reconciliation within Iraq). Like the CNAS plan, Obama's proposal asserts that U.S. forces can continue to train Iraqi Security Forces even after this withdrawal of combat power (as long as the ISF are non-sectarian). Like the CNAS plan, Obama's proposal is utterly unworkable. Any attempt to transfer it from the realm of thought-experiment to the real world would lead to immediate disaster in Iraq and the region.

    The CNAS team deserves credit for making a serious and respectable effort to grapple with a difficult task. Obama's proposal does not. Not only is it a strategy someone else developed and published, but it is dumbed down to the point of incoherence. On the one hand, the plan trumpets: "All combat troops redeployed by 2009." The proposal even provides a little plan for how to do that: "The withdrawal would be strategic and phased, directed by military commanders on the ground and done in consultation with the Iraqi government. Troops would be removed from secure areas first, with troops remaining longer in more volatile areas. The drawdown would begin immediately with one or two combat brigades deploying each month and all troops engaged in combat operations out by the end of the year." This sounds good (if one accepts the premise that withdrawal is desirable), but means little.

    The weird thing about Obama's plan is that the section following "All Combat Troops Redeployed by 2009" is headed "Residual Force to Remain." This "residual force" would "protect American diplomatic and military personnel in Iraq, and continue striking at al Qaeda in Iraq. If Iraq makes political progress and their security forces are not sectarian, we would also continue training the Iraqi Security Forces. In the event of an outbreak of genocide, we would reserve the right to intervene, with the international community, if that intervention was needed to provide civilians with a safe-haven." The CNAS report was clear and explicit about this point. It is too much to expect Senators to develop concrete and detailed war plans on their own--with very few exceptions they have neither the staffs nor the expertise to do so. That is one of the reasons why the United States has traditionally left the developing of war plans to its generals. But when a senator puts out his "own" plan that is virtually identical to one that has already been carefully evaluated and shown to have been unworkable, it seems only right that the American people should be aware of the fact......snip~

    Barack Obama's "New Plan" For Failure - Page 2 - CBS News

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    Last edited by MMC; 06-18-14 at 07:58 PM.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    got SOFA ?
    BO's got one for Afghanistan.....hows that working out.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Maggie if they want go go back that far.....then they can look at what his Iraq Policy was always about and from the get go. BO's Beginning and all its uhm.....erm....oh yeah, so called glory.


    Barack Obama's "New Plan" For Failure
    September 13, 2007, 9:32 AM By Frederick W. Kagan.
    LOL! The opinion of a neoconservative hack from 2007 carries little weight with me. You might as well have quoted Bill Kristol.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    BO's got one for Afghanistan.....hows that working out.
    Do you guys have all yer TPs lined up from the WSJ piece from Cheney, as well as the video from Liz and Dick?
    He makes you look like an angel M .
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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yes. I was proud to serve, and I was proud to have brought (apparently temporary) peace and freedom to a people who had known only fear and tyranny. That was worth it.
    There was never even temporary peace in Iraq following our invasion. Say what you will about his methods, but Saddam Hussein was the only thing keeping Iraq from total chaos and we opened the floodgates when we toppled his regime. His regime was a paradise in comparison with what we brought them.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Sorry, I have to rub this in MMC's face a little more...

    Kagan works for the American Enterprise Institute, which is a essentially a re-branding of the Project For a New American Century. These are the last guys you should listen to on anything concerning Iraq. I would rather get Foreign Policy advice from a random crack head.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    With the situation in Iraq unfolding do you believe that the Iraq War was worth it?
    I do not feel that it was worth it, but then I opposed our going in from the very beginning.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    "And once we'd ......gotten rid of Saddam Hussein and his government, then we'd have had to put another government in its place. What kind of government? Should it be a Sunni government or Shi'i government or a Kurdish government or Ba'athist regime? Or maybe we want to bring in some of the Islamic fundamentalists? How long would we have had to stay in Baghdad to keep that government in place? What would happen to the government once U.S. forces withdrew? How many casualties should the United States accept in that effort to try to create clarity and stability in a situation that is inherently unstable? I think it is vitally important for a President to know when to use military force. I think it is also very important for him to know when not to commit U.S. military force. And it's my view that the President got it right both times, that it would have been a mistake for us to get bogged down in the quagmire inside Iraq."
    Dick Cheney 1991
    Last edited by Hard Truth; 06-18-14 at 08:35 PM.

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