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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Of course they did. He used chemical weapons to kill his own people.
    There were none in 2003. He disarmed after the 1st gulf war.


    No, it wasn't just that.

    • Iraq shelters terrorist groups including the Mujahedin-e-Khalq Organization (MKO), which has used terrorist violence against Iran and in the 1970s was responsible for killing several U.S. military personnel and U.S. civilians.
    • We worked with the MKO! Hell the MKO isnt even a terrorist organization anymore.
    • Iraq shelters several prominent Palestinian terrorist organizations in Baghdad, including the Palestine Liberation Front (PLF), which is known for aerial attacks against Israel and is headed by Abu Abbas, who carried out the 1985 hijacking of the cruise ship Achille Lauro and murdered U.S. citizen Leon Klinghoffer.
    The PLF is nothing but a petty threat. That have done little to no attacks since 1990

  2. Iraq shelters the Abu Nidal Organization, an international terrorist organization that has carried out terrorist attacks in twenty countries, killing or injuring almost 900 people. Targets have included the United States and several other Western nations. Each of these groups have offices in Baghdad and receive training, logistical assistance, and financial aid from the government of Iraq.
Hasnt been active since 1994.



  • Former Iraqi military officers have described a highly secret terrorist training facility in Iraq known as Salman Pak, where both Iraqis and non-Iraqi Arabs receive training on hijacking planes and trains, planting explosives in cities, sabotage, and assassinations.
  • all statements on this were inconsistent and were labeled as false.
    Figures same faulty intelligence Apacherat used on another thread.. The bush archives..

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    In hindsight, our intelligence isn't so intelligent, is it.

    About the only intelligence I have ever believed in my life span was the photos taken from a US spy plane depicting missile installations in Cuba, which I believed are truthful. Since then intelligence from other sources, other than the USA could be construed as being doctored or inaccurate.

    I'd imagine that most people might appreciate more accuracy and definition of evidence.
    The thing is with all of our intelligence services what they gather is disseminated on a need to know and security clearance. Then too it is all compartmentalized. You can have two different analysts working for the same agency in two different offices come up with two opposite opinions depending on what intel was given them, how much, what their office job was which would determine which pieces of intel they get. They would not get any intel that wasn’t directly related to their job, project, department within any particular agency.

    Of course these analysts are working with raw intel and photos which also may led to a wrong conclusion if they do not have all that they need. It is a tricky game and sometimes relies on ones best guess.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    And that will likely never change.

    The whole situation reminds me of a Merry-go-round without a stop switch.
    It's because the whole region is so sectarian in nature. They're split over irreconcilable issues and we effectively supported the removal of the only stabilizing forces they had, by removing Saddam and allowing Gaddafi and Mubarak to be overthrown. You can't go into fundamentally, religious countries and mind control them, it's just stupid.
    Einstein, "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I'm on the record on another forum, in 2003 before we invaded saying this is exactly what would happen in Iraq...and it did and it makes me sick. I take no pleasure in having been right.

    That someone with no geopolitical background could KNOW (and I did know...it was clear as a bell) and not one person properly advised the last administration? Or maybe they did but it just didnt fit their agenda.
    I'm with ya.

    I've thought about this before, and the best explanation I can come up with is this: People at that level of leadership are so arrogant and egotistical that they honestly believe that they are above the lessons of history. They honestly believe that they will be the one to be different and solve the problem.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    The thing is with all of our intelligence services what they gather is disseminated on a need to know and security clearance. Then too it is all compartmentalized. You can have two different analysts working for the same agency in two different offices come up with two opposite opinions depending on what intel was given them, how much, what their office job was which would determine which pieces of intel they get. They would not get any intel that wasn’t directly related to their job, project, department within any particular agency.

    Of course these analysts are working with raw intel and photos which also may led to a wrong conclusion if they do not have all that they need. It is a tricky game and sometimes relies on ones best guess.
    In my opinion, that's all the more reason why they should be consulting each other, either in the office or their private little circle. As we know now, the FBI dropped the ball, or someone did in the Boston bombings.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I value those I know more, that's human nature. But I still value the lives of strangers. These things are not mutually exclusive.
    Would you sacrifice your loved one or your loved ones' financial well being to save a stranger? I wouldn't and this is how I look at interfering with other countries. Americans and their financial well being should not be sacrificed for the lived and well being of foreigners.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I do not think we should sacrifice American lives and money for the sake of people in other countries.

    When it comes to your loved ones and random strangers, whose lives do you value more?
    Simple, my family comes first and foremost. Period end of story.
    I understand that wars happen, but I think its time to let the chips fall where they may in that part of the world. We helped him. Bailed them out, defended them, trained them. Poured billions into their nation and infrastructure. What do we have to show for it?

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Sure it is, you claimed Iraq was ok to go after cause they were burning our flags and threatening us. North Korea and Iran have been doing that for years. Your logic is flawed seriously.
    Not what I said. I said you didn't see that in Germany and Italy or Japan.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That is what end game means, the conditions under which we would win. We knew what end game was, developed a competent plan to get there, executed. And we won in far less time than we've been fighting this quagmire. There's a reason why haven't had a clean "war" or "victory" since WW II; it was the last time we declared war and had to think about ending a war.
    End game means you have a plan for the end. In WWII and WWI we had no idea if we were going to win. Hell we may not have won what we did in Iraq without the surge.
    You cant plan for the victory dance, before the game starts.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    In my opinion, that's all the more reason why they should be consulting each other, either in the office or their private little circle. As we know now, the FBI dropped the ball, or someone did in the Boston bombings.
    True, but a lot of all these different agencies do not talk to each other. Even when they do they guard their own secrets jealously.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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