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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Hans Blix at the time before we invaded Iraq stated that there is no proof Iraq has WMD's. Many other reports validated this. The Bush admin just listened to what they wanted to hear. In 2000 Condy and Powell both stated that Iraq was not a threat, and cannot build up an armed force.
    The Bush administration certainly did listen to what they wanted to hear. However, what they wanted to hear was also what was available. Had there been serious dissent within the Intelligence Community over whether or not Saddam had WMD, or had we had serious dissent with our key allies on that issue, and he had still made an uncritical case - then yeah, you could accuse him of cherry picking, and he might very well have. The administration was (like our current one) self-reinforcing in its assumptions. But as far as what was available, that did not happen.

    No. No we didnt.
    Yes, yes we did. Feel free to read the relevant NIE, or, if you like, a post-mortem of the analytic process that went into that assessment by the guy who did the CIA's post-mortem for the failure to anticipate the Iranian revolution in 1979 and is, himself, a bit of a left-leaning anti-Bush academic.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Our IC believed he had WMD, the Brits thought he had WMD, the UN thought he had WMD, the Russians thought he had WMD, even Saddam thought he had WMD. Everybody came to pretty much the same conclusion on that score - and it turned out he did, just much less than everyone (again, including Saddam) had thought, and we were wrong on ongoing production lines.

    Did the Bush Administration grab the intel that made it's case? Sure, but that was also the intel that was available. You can say his decision-making process was flawed, you can say that he was a non-critical consumer of intel, but there simply isn't a plausible case for an accusation of being misleading.
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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    That was good enough for the G.W. Bush mis-administration.

    Take a look at what's going on in Iraq right now and you'll see how that turned out.




    Mighty sad how much money and how many human lives were wasted in that hellhole.
    Unfortunately, we really NEED to go back and in a fairly strong fashion. If we lose control of that region now, it'll much harder to regain back later.

    Our other option is to let the ME go to ruin, drill/pump oil and gas at full capacity from the American continent and beef up our defenses against future terror attacks.
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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    That was good enough for the G.W. Bush mis-administration.

    Take a look at what's going on in Iraq right now and you'll see how that turned out.




    Mighty sad how much money and how many human lives were wasted in that hellhole.
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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    No, it totally shot down Kelly's premise and put the onus for the situation in Iraq back where it belongs, with the current President.
    I refer you to this post for my response....lol

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    No, it totally shot down Kelly's premise and put the onus for the situation in Iraq back where it belongs, with the current President.
    Was it worth "IT?"

    IT = US lost all honor by invading a Nation that was no threat to the USA
    IT = 4500 GIs
    IT = 100,000-1,000,000 dead Iraqis
    IT = 2-4 Trillion dollars lost forever
    IT = The alternatives (opportunity costs) the money could have been spent on
    IT = The shame of defending a war for OIL, an energy war for USA Corporate Energy
    IT = The embarassment of USA being exposed as an Exporter of war and death to profit our MIC
    IT = The humiliation of the USA by allowing Maliki to be in charge
    IT = The disgrace of giving al Qeda a springboard in Iraq

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I agree. Someone has really screwed up.
    It was us thinking that foreign, imperial occupation could be successful against an entrenched native population over a prolonged period of time. That never works.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Our IC believed he had WMD, the Brits thought he had WMD, the UN thought he had WMD, the Russians thought he had WMD, even Saddam thought he had WMD. Everybody came to pretty much the same conclusion on that score - and it turned out he did, just much less than everyone (again, including Saddam) had thought, and we were wrong on ongoing production lines.

    Did the Bush Administration grab the intel that made it's case? Sure, but that was also the intel that was available. You can say his decision-making process was flawed, you can say that he was a non-critical consumer of intel, but there simply isn't a plausible case for an accusation of being misleading.
    He did have them...we gave them to him.

    The point is....he was no threat to the US with those. As I already wrote.
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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Unfortunately, we really NEED to go back and in a fairly strong fashion.
    If we lose control of that region now, it'll much harder to regain back later.

    Our other option is to let the ME go to ruin, drill/pump oil and gas at full capacity from the American continent and beef up our defenses against future terror attacks.



    You have my permission to get on over there right now and do whatever that you feel needs to be done.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Right. I went to my VA Hospital yesterday for an immunization and saw wheelchair bound veterans, some with no legs, or arms, or if they had legs and arms, they were severely disfigured. I almost lost it.


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    Like I said, mighty sad. every one of them has my sympathy and thanks for their service.

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