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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Ok but Saddam attacked the US, right?
    Isn't this rather moot?

    The question was whether it was worth the $4 to 6T, the 4,000+ American lives, the 2.5 million American service members whose lives (and the lives of their families) will never be the same because they have been tainted with the smell of death, the 50,000 Iraqi lives lost and the millions displaced all to remove a two bit dictator.

    Economic Cost Summary | Costs of War
    Study: Iraq, Afghan war costs to top $4 trillion - The Washington Post
    Harvard study: Iraq, Afghan wars will cost $4 trillion to $6 trillion - UPI.com


    Was it worth it? Hell no! It was one of the dumbest things America has ever done (we won't even go to out the action fueled hatred of America in the region and probably promoted terrorism)...... Let me also point out that while Saddam was a bad guy; he did hold a country together that wasn't really country but a collection of three peoples that hated each other.......as evident that they go after each other as soon as law and order breaks down (as they did in 2004 and are doing again)


    Iraq was as stupid as stupid gets..... and you want to argue over the semantics of whether Iraq attacked the US. What difference does it make? It sounds a little like "little Jimmy hit me so I broke his neck..."

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Not true
    ""There were about 700 inspections, and in no case did we find weapons of mass destruction," said Hans Blix, the Swedish diplomat called out of retirement to serve as the United Nations' chief weapons inspector from 2000 to 2003; from 1981 to 1997 he headed the International Atomic Energy Agency. "We went to sites [in Iraq] given to us by intelligence, and only in three cases did we find something" - a stash of nuclear documents, some Vulcan boosters, and several empty warheads for chemical weapons. " U.N. weapons inspector Hans Blix faults Bush Administration for lack of "critical thinking" in Iraq


    "Through the inspections conducted so far, we have obtained a good knowledge of the industrial and scientific landscape of Iraq, as well as of its missile capability but, as before, we do not know every cave and corner. Inspections are effectively helping to bridge the gap in knowledge that arose due to the absence of inspections between December 1998 and November 2002.

    More than 200 chemical and more than 100 biological samples have been collected at different sites. Three-quarters of these have been screened using our own analytical laboratory capabilities at the Baghdad Centre (BOMVIC). The results to date have been consistent with Iraq's declarations." Full text: Hans Blix's briefing to the UN security council | World news | theguardian.com


    So what? Many countries do this. Many countries we support do this.


    Iraq had lost all its weapons. And i quote the great Condy and Powell in 2000: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUNsv66m8Rw


    "Hostility"? Really?


    Also not true.
    Hussein's Iraq and al Qaeda not linked, Pentagon says - CNN.com
    Al Qaeda-Hussein Link Is Dismissed (washingtonpost.com)


    The PLF? Or giving money to suicide bomber families?



    Also, simply not true
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...post1063420347
    It was passed with a bipartisan vote.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    It was passed with a bipartisan vote.
    That doesnt mean that the "facts" presented were infact just a bunch of BS.


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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Isn't this rather moot?

    The question was whether it was worth the $4 to 6T, the 4,000+ American lives, the 2.5 million American service members whose lives (and the lives of their families) will never be the same because they have been tainted with the smell of death, the 50,000 Iraqi lives lost and the millions displaced all to remove a two bit dictator.

    Economic Cost Summary | Costs of War
    Study: Iraq, Afghan war costs to top $4 trillion - The Washington Post
    Harvard study: Iraq, Afghan wars will cost $4 trillion to $6 trillion - UPI.com


    Was it worth it? Hell no! It was one of the dumbest things America has ever done (we won't even go to out the action fueled hatred of America in the region and probably promoted terrorism)...... Let me also point out that while Saddam was a bad guy; he did hold a country together that wasn't really country but a collection of three peoples that hated each other.......as evident that they go after each other as soon as law and order breaks down (as they did in 2004 and are doing again)


    Iraq was as stupid as stupid gets..... and you want to argue over the semantics of whether Iraq attacked the US. What difference does it make? It sounds a little like "little Jimmy hit me so I broke his neck..."
    Well put.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    How many Americans were killed by the Germans? Almost none.
    Hawaii was not a US state at the time either, so we could have just pulled up stakes and left. Or we could have just fought them only.
    Again, the Iraq War PALES in compraison to the importance of the two World Wars. No comparison.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Again, the Iraq War PALES in compraison to the importance of the two World Wars. No comparison.
    Find me quotes from Hitler and or Mussolini about destroying the US and the west on almost daily basis. How many times did they burn American flags?
    How many hits inside our borders did they get killing thousands?

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Well one argument about Iraq was the one that has happened. It was the one I thought would happen. According to the news, the religious side in power can't treat the side that is not in power fairly (as I expected). The religious side not in power resents not being treated fairly (as I expected). The religious side not in power agitates until enough steam has built up to actually attack militarily (as I thought would likely happen). In no way did I think theses things were merely plausible. Some of them I thought to be near 100% likely. Others I thought to be more likely than not, say 75% likely.

    This whole thing has played out exactly as I thought it would from start to finish, (start of hostilities under Bush, until our departure) except for one thing: I didn't think we would get them to actually stop fighting, and would have to leave while there was a small amount of fighting still occurring. But even when we did, I knew it was quite likely that fighting would start again. You will have to excuse me if I trust my judgement at this point more than yours.
    If you didn't, it wouldn't be your judgement, it would be your guess.

    However, the sectarian divide in Iraqi culture is overplayed as a naturally occurring issue. It is easy to grasp and an easy model to fit lots of things into, but does not match many of the conditions on the ground. Lots of Iraqi families have Shia and Sunni branches, the sects mixed peacefully in the big cities, the Shia fought honorably and bravely (and were proud of having done so) for Iraq in the Iraq-Iran war. Sectarian conflict, to an extensive degree, had to be fomented in Iraq by AMZ and his doppelganger, MAS. Sunni opposition was originally tribal, not religious in nature; the 1920 Brigade and like elements were nationalistic former regime elements and affiliates, not Wahhabi (and probably still are not: ISIL might be just a particularly useful human shield for the Anbar Tribes to establish de facto independence). Even today actors like Sistani (who is big) are appealing to nationalism rather than straight sectarianism. The main players who push and have pushed sectarian divides are the AQ elements and the Iranian elements - it was not as organic as the simple narrative requires.

    So you may keep your judgement (it is yours), but I think you are still exaggerating its importance as it currently sits. But we are traveling in your direction, to be sure.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    That doesnt mean that the "facts" presented were infact just a bunch of BS.
    No. The facts presented were what we knew at the time. Some of which (for example, the usage of mobile production platforms) turned out to be incorrect. Some of that was the result of tainted reporting, and some of it was the result of a successful MILDEC campaign by Saddam to convince the world (well, the Iranians) that he still had a production and storage capacity. The assessments given were problematic because they were built in part off of tainted reporting streams (such as described), and were over zealous in their levels of confidence. Even today it is not possible to utilize just the data that was available in the winter of 2002 and come to the conclusion that Saddam had given up and destroyed his WMD program - all you can justify is reducing the confidence levels.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Interesting - the sheer number of people who said "no" to the poll indicates that it must include quite a few of the conservatives on this forum...yet so many of them are outraged that Obama isn't more eager to put more boots on the ground elsewhere.
    That's an interesting assessment. Can you cite this rage?

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    No...it could have been had we left a military presence there to handle the subsequent problems with al Qaeda which we knew was not only possible but probable.

    Afghanistan you ask? Same scenario in the making. If you're gonna do it...you might want to do it right.
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