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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I would prefer to talk in terms of cause and effect rather than intent. It's not that motive doesn't count, it's just that there are facts on the ground to consider.

    It is their culture that is responsible for both the rise of evil men like Sadaam as well as ISIS. THere are no real possibilities for a functioning democracy because of their culture.

    Totally agree. We have been naïve to apply our western ideas and values to a culture that lives in the dark ages. Assessing the past, we should do what can be done to contain their violence inside their borders, and allow them to do what nature has been trying to do for thousands of years: Remove their strain from the planet.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    With the situation in Iraq unfolding do you believe that the Iraq War was worth it?
    Interesting - the sheer number of people who said "no" to the poll indicates that it must include quite a few of the conservatives on this forum...yet so many of them are outraged that Obama isn't more eager to put more boots on the ground elsewhere.
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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Yes, lets not rewrite history. Lets learn from it:

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    What does your post have to do with anything?

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    No, that is simply not true.
    But it is.

    Europe was a bunch of clans and tyrants. As was Japan. As was North America, Central America and South America. And Kenya, and Eastern Europe. Well, everywhere was. It's a stage in development.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    What does your post have to do with anything?
    That America's involvement in the Middle East has been nothing short of a disaster -- supporting one faction; arming another; facilitating the rise of dictators, then toppling them. Where does it end? It ends with America losing. It ends with the Middle East in shambles.

    This should be America's Foreign Policy theme song. It sooo fitting.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Gwynne Dyer: Tony Blair talks ISIS and the Middle East

    'WHATEVER ELSE YOU may say about the “young war criminal” (as British journalist Alan Watkins used to call former prime minister Tony Blair), he certainly fights his corner with great determination.

    He is condemned to spend his life defending his part in the invasion of Iraq in 2003, and last weekend he was at it again.

    In a 3,000-word essay on his website, Tony Blair wrote about last week’s conquest of almost half Iraq’s territory by the fanatical fighters of ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and Syria): “We have to liberate ourselves from the notion that ‘we’ have caused this. We haven’t.” What he really meant by “we”, of course, was “I”. And he would say that, wouldn’t he?'


    Gwynne Dyer: Tony Blair talks ISIS and the Middle East | Georgia Straight, Vancouver's News & Entertainment Weekly

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    I forget, what was the beef with Ghaddafi again?
    Pick your dictator if you want an ally in the region. Drop any ideas of promoting democracy- there'll be exactly one election and you'll have either another strongman dictator or an Islamist state..
    I think that was the genesis of the biggest mistake many of us (me included) made in 2003 in supporting going into Iraq. That everyone (humans) want the same thing - that they want freedom, they want liberty, they and they want a government that protects these ideals. What we found out by staying and trying to nurture that ideal was it was a bad assumption. Perhaps at some level all people are alike and want the same things but certainly they don't all want these things as much as the US does or maybe I should say they don't covet it was much as the US does, nor do they see the benefits. Perhaps over a long period of time and many generations such a thing could occur in a secular state with secular morality and without the corruption religious nuttery.... but that is just not in the cards. No matter how much we showed Iraq could be better they just do not want to buy in. They quickly fall back into the same rut and that taught us two things. You can't export freedom if the people overwhelmingly do not want it and will not fight for it and two, when dealing with Islam and it's varying groups, power struggles, politics and extremisism - it's better to let them kill each other and come to a realization that themselves that something must change rather than make them for their own good.

    So that means, let this turn into a civil war between Sunni and Shia - from my view let it continue for 10 years, 100 years, 1000 years whatever but contain it and don't let any group export terrorism. If we see that they are planning to or are capable of doing it - bomb the **** out of them and come home. Rinse. Repeat. Eventually either they will kill themselves off, or one side will win over the other and then the west can engage, or they will eternally be at each others throats. I see no benefit to involving ourselves again until they are ready - and they are not ready.
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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Had to be done.
    No it didn't. That is what you tell yourself, but it no it didn't have to be done. It was a choice to go in there and THAT choice was wrong.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    No it didn't. That is what you tell yourself, but it no it didn't have to be done. It was a choice to go in there and THAT choice was wrong.
    No different then when we went to Europe, twice.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    No different then when we went to Europe, twice.
    Sure there was a difference, we had substantially more support in those wars than the Iraq war. Again, we didn't HAVE to do it. It was a choice. Can't escape that fact.

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