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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    We better start invading a lot of ****ing countries if we really care about "human rights".
    Have you never heard of priorities and why they exist?

    The "if the US does not do everything at the same time it's a hypocrite" argument is crap, any HS student can see that.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Have you never heard of priorities and why they exist?

    The "if the US does not do everything at the same time it's a hypocrite" argument is crap, any HS student can see that.
    Worse places than Iraq....like most of Africa. Wonder why we're in Iraq and not Africa....hmmmmmmm
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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Worse places than Iraq....like most of Africa. Wonder why we're in Iraq and not Africa....hmmmmmmm
    We are in Africa. We provide support to Kenya, Ethiopia, the East African Union and the African Union in Somalia. In North Africa, we were obviously involved in Libya.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Of course there was that little attempt to capture a massive chuck of the worlds oil supply, and thereby hold the world at his mercy, but I guess that doesn't count.
    I would prefer to talk in terms of cause and effect rather than intent. It's not that motive doesn't count, it's just that there are facts on the ground to consider.

    It is their culture that is responsible for both the rise of evil men like Sadaam as well as ISIS. THere are no real possibilities for a functioning democracy because of their culture.
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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    [*]Iraq's noncompliance with the conditions of the 1991 ceasefire agreement, including interference with U.N. weapons inspectors.
    [*]Iraq "continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability" and "actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability" posed a "threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region."
    Not true
    ""There were about 700 inspections, and in no case did we find weapons of mass destruction," said Hans Blix, the Swedish diplomat called out of retirement to serve as the United Nations' chief weapons inspector from 2000 to 2003; from 1981 to 1997 he headed the International Atomic Energy Agency. "We went to sites [in Iraq] given to us by intelligence, and only in three cases did we find something" - a stash of nuclear documents, some Vulcan boosters, and several empty warheads for chemical weapons. " U.N. weapons inspector Hans Blix faults Bush Administration for lack of "critical thinking" in Iraq


    "Through the inspections conducted so far, we have obtained a good knowledge of the industrial and scientific landscape of Iraq, as well as of its missile capability but, as before, we do not know every cave and corner. Inspections are effectively helping to bridge the gap in knowledge that arose due to the absence of inspections between December 1998 and November 2002.

    More than 200 chemical and more than 100 biological samples have been collected at different sites. Three-quarters of these have been screened using our own analytical laboratory capabilities at the Baghdad Centre (BOMVIC). The results to date have been consistent with Iraq's declarations." Full text: Hans Blix's briefing to the UN security council | World news | theguardian.com

    [*]Iraq's "brutal repression of its civilian population."
    So what? Many countries do this. Many countries we support do this.

    [*]Iraq's "capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people".
    Iraq had lost all its weapons. And i quote the great Condy and Powell in 2000: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUNsv66m8Rw

    [*]Iraq's hostility towards the United States as demonstrated by the 1993 assassination attempt on former President George H. W. Bush and firing on coalition aircraft enforcing the no-fly zones following the 1991 Gulf War.
    "Hostility"? Really?

    [*]Members of al-Qaeda, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq.
    Also not true.
    Hussein's Iraq and al Qaeda not linked, Pentagon says - CNN.com
    Al Qaeda-Hussein Link Is Dismissed (washingtonpost.com)

    [*]Iraq's "continu[ing] to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations," including anti-United States terrorist organizations.
    The PLF? Or giving money to suicide bomber families?


    Of the above most were remedied and the situation was stable as of 2008. At that point it could be stated that increased stability was purchased pretty cheaply considering the cost in terms of men and materials in previous wars. At this time, however, it looks like most of those gains have been lost. This is entirely due to Pres. Obama's poor judgement.
    Also, simply not true
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...post1063420347


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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    It is their culture that is responsible for both the rise of evil men like Sadaam as well as ISIS. THere are no real possibilities for a functioning democracy because of their culture.
    That's what they said about every country before democracy arrives.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    So let's see. Saddam developed and used WMD's. He sought to build nuclear weapons. He invaded another country with the objective to control a big portion of the worlds oil supplies, thereby leaving the world at his mercy. And the list goes on.

    Complex history, and complex situation, let's not get carried away in the rewrite of most it.
    Yes, lets not rewrite history. Lets learn from it:

    Iraq

    A review of thousands of declassified government documents and interviews with former U.S. policymakers shows that U.S. provided intelligence and logistical support, which played a role in arming Iraq in its war with Iran. Under the Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush administrations, the U.S. authorized the sale to Iraq of numerous dual-use technology (items with both military and civilian applications), including chemicals which can be used in manufacturing of pesticides or chemical weapons and live viruses and bacteria, such as anthrax and bubonic plague used in medicine and the manufacture of vaccines or weaponized for use in biological weapons.

    A report of the U.S. Senate's Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs concluded that the U.S. under the successive presidential administrations sold materials including anthrax, and botulism to Iraq right up until March 1992. The chairman of the Senate committee, Don Riegle, said: "The executive branch of our government approved 771 different export licenses for sale of dual-use technology to Iraq. I think its a devastating record."[10] According to several former officials, the State and Commerce departments promoted trade in such items as a way to boost U.S. exports and acquire political leverage over Hussein.[11

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That's what they said about every country before democracy arrives.
    Not every country is the product of generations of inbreeding, or possess a culture where every sphere of human endeavor is dominated by clan relationships.
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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Not every country is the product of generations of inbreeding, or possess a culture where every sphere of human endeavor is dominated by clan relationships.
    That's been true in every country that's realized democracy. It's simple development.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That's been true in every country that's realized democracy. It's simple development.
    No, that is simply not true.
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