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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Only Saddam is to blame for his genocide.
    Sure, Saddam gave the orders to exterminate the people in the uprising we called for & who had the feeling that we'd assist them in toppling Saddam's bloodthirsty regime.

    Would you support our military invading every country on the planet that has a government that abuses their citizens & their human rights? Or are there countries, like Saudi Arabia, that are immune from our humanitarian interventions? And is there a specific body count that raises to the level of needing U.S. humanitarian intervention?

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    Sure, Saddam gave the orders to exterminate the people in the uprising we called for & who had the feeling that we'd assist them in toppling Saddam's bloodthirsty regime.
    So it's the victims' fault for rising up? Yes, how dare they refuse horrible oppression. I guess they got what they deserved, ay? Saddam was only doing what he had to, right? Sure, it's not his fault.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    So it's the victims' fault for rising up? Yes, how dare they refuse horrible oppression. I guess they got what they deserved, ay? Saddam was only doing what he had to, right? Sure, it's not his fault.


    You'll say anything other than the reality of the situation. Why? Because it makes us look bad and you won't ever stand or acknowledge the inconvenient facts.

    Would you support our military invading every country on the planet that has a government that abuses their citizens & their human rights? Or are there countries, like Saudi Arabia, that are immune from our humanitarian interventions? And is there a specific body count that raises to the level of needing U.S. humanitarian intervention?

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post


    You'll say anything other than the reality of the situation. Why? Because it makes us look bad and you won't ever stand or acknowledge the inconvenient facts.
    That bizarre accusation proves the US is to blame for Saddam committing genocide his second time?

    Do you even realize that in blaming the US you are blaming the victims? You are claiming their actions justified the genocide. If their actions do not justify the genocide, then no one is to blame but Saddam.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    With the situation in Iraq unfolding do you believe that the Iraq War was worth it?
    Looking back at it now I say no. We should but out of the business of other countries.No foreigner is worth the life of an American or American tax dollars. Plus many times interfering can bite us in the ass later. Doing nothing can bite us in the ass later too.So you are damned if you do and damned if you don't.The only difference is that in the long run we probably save a lot of American lives and money by not interfering with other countries. Some neocons think we should make the world our bitch and that we should interfere but those people should be ignored.
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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    No foreigner is worth the life of an American or American tax dollars.
    Because they're not equal people and thus their suffering is irrelevant?

    If they're equal people, how can their suffering be irrelevant.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Because they're not equal people and thus their suffering is irrelevant?

    If they're equal people, how can their suffering be irrelevant.
    I do not think we should sacrifice American lives and money for the sake of people in other countries.

    When it comes to your loved ones and random strangers, whose lives do you value more?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    When it comes to your loved ones and random strangers, whose lives do you value more?
    I value those I know more, that's human nature. But I still value the lives of strangers. These things are not mutually exclusive.

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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You could definitely say that. Or, you could have said that the Iraqi people were weary from a long war against a brutal foe whom they were happy to have achieved victory over, and would be unlikely to support someone calling for an AQ-aligned Islamist state for at least a generation. Both those arguments would have been plausible. Then Egypt and Libya blew up long before Iraq did - who would have said that their seeds were fresh and well watered? Or Syria's?

    Because collapse is plausible does not make it imminent or even probable.
    Well one argument about Iraq was the one that has happened. It was the one I thought would happen. According to the news, the religious side in power can't treat the side that is not in power fairly (as I expected). The religious side not in power resents not being treated fairly (as I expected). The religious side not in power agitates until enough steam has built up to actually attack militarily (as I thought would likely happen). In no way did I think theses things were merely plausible. Some of them I thought to be near 100% likely. Others I thought to be more likely than not, say 75% likely.

    This whole thing has played out exactly as I thought it would from start to finish, (start of hostilities under Bush, until our departure) except for one thing: I didn't think we would get them to actually stop fighting, and would have to leave while there was a small amount of fighting still occurring. But even when we did, I knew it was quite likely that fighting would start again. You will have to excuse me if I trust my judgement at this point more than yours.
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    Re: Was the Iraq War "Worth it"

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    With the situation in Iraq unfolding do you believe that the Iraq War was worth it?
    If you are an American, then no. If you are an Iraqi, then yes.

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