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    Re: Are blacks and whites treated equally by the justice system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    First of all, thank you for asking your question that way and not immediately resorting to defensiveness. That is a rarity around here.

    Now, you said:



    That is not what the study does. It clearly states that all other factors being equal, which is perfectly doable in statistics, a defendant's race has a statistically significant effect on his (or her?) conviction rate.
    Not sure we read the same article. From what I took of it, it was about race.
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    Re: Are blacks and whites treated equally by the justice system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Not sure we read the same article. From what I took of it, it was about race.
    No, let's try this again. I specifically emphasized the word "only." O-N-L-Y. You did see that in post #40, right?
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    Re: Are blacks and whites treated equally by the justice system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    No, let's try this again. I specifically emphasized the word "only." O-N-L-Y. You did see that in post #40, right?
    Yes. Justice On Trial was the site. I went back through it. Yes that article is about only race. It doesn't factor in other considerations.
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    Re: Are blacks and whites treated equally by the justice system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Yes. Justice On Trial was the site. I went back through it. Yes that article is about only race. It doesn't factor in other considerations.
    Show me exactly in the study where the researchers did not properly account for income, gender, or other factors.
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    Re: Are blacks and whites treated equally by the justice system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post

    Take what we can call an average poor community. There are going to be a large number of minorities and some white people there.
    In an average low income community, whites will still outnumber other minorities, 50% of the poor are non-Hispanic white.
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    Re: Are blacks and whites treated equally by the justice system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Show me exactly in the study where the researchers did not properly account for income, gender, or other factors.
    all of it? the words income and gender dont appear in it once. Factor does appear once but not in the same context.
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    Re: Are blacks and whites treated equally by the justice system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    In an average low income community, whites will still outnumber other minorities, 50% of the poor are non-Hispanic white.
    Take a trip to the poorer parts of most major american cities.
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    Re: Are blacks and whites treated equally by the justice system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    all of it? the words income and gender dont appear in it once. Factor does appear once but not in the same context.
    You don't have to reread the whole thing. Just show me somewhere where it implies that other factors were not factored out. Because, yeah, that would pretty much wreck the study.

    But if it does factor them out, then you would need to come to terms with your being in denial about the conclusions of the study.
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    Re: Are blacks and whites treated equally by the justice system?

    A lot of the disagreement seems to come from suggesting that economic class and race are dependent variables. They aren't. Class is one factor where a defendant is unfairly judged. Race is another. They do not always operate in tandem, and one does not necessarily relate to the other in the courtroom. A poor white person has poorness being held against them. A rich black person has blackness held against them. A poor black person has both poorness and blackness held against them.

    This doesn't seem a complicated concept to grasp. It isn't one or the other. It's both. And both are abhorrent.
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    Re: Are blacks and whites treated equally by the justice system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    You don't have to reread the whole thing. Just show me somewhere where it implies that other factors were not factored out. Because, yeah, that would pretty much wreck the study.

    But if it does factor them out, then you would need to come to terms with your being in denial about the conclusions of the study.
    It doesnt factor them in. That is the problem with the study. I feel like we are going in circles.

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