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    Re: Are blacks and whites treated equally by the justice system?

    Are blacks and whites treated equally by the justice system?
    it has improved some, but no.

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    Re: Are blacks and whites treated equally by the justice system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    it has improved some, but no.

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    Reading through that article helix it again is only looking at one thing. Race. There are other factors that have to be considered such as money, and even geographic considerations.

    Take what we can call an average poor community. There are going to be a large number of minorities and some white people there. Do you think those white people are being treated differently than black people from the same area? Or if that poor white person gets arrested with some meth and goes to court and a rich black kid gets arrested for the same amount of the same drug do you think the black kid do you think the black kid is getting a harsher sentence? Personally I am certain that the white kid is getting a much harsher sentence.
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    Re: Are blacks and whites treated equally by the justice system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Reading through that article helix it again is only looking at one thing. Race. There are other factors that have to be considered such as money, and even geographic considerations.

    Take what we can call an average poor community. There are going to be a large number of minorities and some white people there. Do you think those white people are being treated differently than black people from the same area? Or if that poor white person gets arrested with some meth and goes to court and a rich black kid gets arrested for the same amount of the same drug do you think the black kid do you think the black kid is getting a harsher sentence? Personally I am certain that the white kid is getting a much harsher sentence.
    this article is a bit more thorough :

    http://www.hrw.org/sites/default/fil...lner_FINAL.pdf

    although i did read in another article that the number of whites going to jail for drug offenses really went up between the mid 90s and the mid 2000s, as well. probably meth / prescription drug related.

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    Re: Are blacks and whites treated equally by the justice system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    this article is a bit more thorough :

    http://www.hrw.org/sites/default/fil...lner_FINAL.pdf

    although i did read in another article that the number of whites going to jail for drug offenses really went up between the mid 90s and the mid 2000s, as well. probably meth / prescription drug related.
    That article is a little better but does still focus primarily on race.

    Page 271 of that, the excerts are really well worded.

    And some of that does state what I have been saying. People from poor neighborhoods are treated differently in our legal system than others. The one comment in that article basically says that is partially because poor people are easier to catch. Couple that with the fact that there are a higher percentage of poor minorities and a higher percentage of rich white people and it paints a pretty clear picture. When all you factor in is race you are going to get the result many people want to see, that minorities are treated differently. But its not supported. If anyone can find a study that shows how poor minorities and poor white people are treated in our legal system I may change how I view this. I spent a good amount of time in the legal system through my early teens to my mid 20's. Including a few years in jail, and months here and there in others. I can assure you I didn't get any preferential treatment. I got the same line every poor person who gets arrested gets. And I know because I was locked up with many minorities in the Michigan/Wayne county judicial system (which is primarily black). They come in and force you to take a deal or threaten to quadruple the sentence in a court case they know you cant afford to win.
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    Re: Are blacks and whites treated equally by the justice system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    That article is a little better but does still focus primarily on race.

    Page 271 of that, the excerts are really well worded.

    And some of that does state what I have been saying. People from poor neighborhoods are treated differently in our legal system than others. The one comment in that article basically says that is partially because poor people are easier to catch. Couple that with the fact that there are a higher percentage of poor minorities and a higher percentage of rich white people and it paints a pretty clear picture. When all you factor in is race you are going to get the result many people want to see, that minorities are treated differently. But its not supported. If anyone can find a study that shows how poor minorities and poor white people are treated in our legal system I may change how I view this. I spent a good amount of time in the legal system through my early teens to my mid 20's. Including a few years in jail, and months here and there in others. I can assure you I didn't get any preferential treatment. I got the same line every poor person who gets arrested gets. And I know because I was locked up with many minorities in the Michigan/Wayne county judicial system (which is primarily black). They come in and force you to take a deal or threaten to quadruple the sentence in a court case they know you cant afford to win.
    as with most things, there is certainly a socioeconomic component, and a significant one, at that.

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    Re: Are blacks and whites treated equally by the justice system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    When the only factor you include is race you aren't seeing the whole picture. There are far more elements that should be considered.
    Good job finding something that isn't there.
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    Re: Are blacks and whites treated equally by the justice system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Assuming that a black person is charged with exactly the same crime, with the same evidence, do you think that the legal system treats them equally? Feel free to comment if your opinion is not represented in the options.

    Edit: Both defendants are economically identical.
    The minority defendant will be more likely convicted. If convicted, the minority defendant will be more likely sent to prison. The minority defendant will get a longer sentence.

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    Re: Are blacks and whites treated equally by the justice system?

    This is the wrong question.

    The right question is are the rich and poor treated equally by the justice system? No
    And an even better one is are citizens generally treated fairly when the plaintiff is the federal government? Again no.
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    Re: Are blacks and whites treated equally by the justice system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Good job finding something that isn't there.
    What do you mean?
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    Re: Are blacks and whites treated equally by the justice system?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    What do you mean?
    First of all, thank you for asking your question that way and not immediately resorting to defensiveness. That is a rarity around here.

    Now, you said:

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    When the only factor you include is race you aren't seeing the whole picture. There are far more elements that should be considered.
    That is not what the study does. It clearly states that all other factors being equal, which is perfectly doable in statistics, a defendant's race has a statistically significant effect on his (or her?) conviction rate.
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