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Thread: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

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    Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    AOL.com Article - Lawmakers: IRS lost more emails in tea party probe
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    WASHINGTON (AP) --

    "The Internal Revenue Service has lost more emails connected to the tea party investigation, congressional investigators said Tuesday.
    The IRS said last Friday it had lost an untold number of emails when Lois Lerner's computer crashed in 2011. Lerner used to head the division that handles applications for tax-exempt status.
    On Tuesday, two key lawmakers said the IRS has also lost emails from six additional IRS workers whose computers crashed. Among them was Nikole Flax, who was chief of staff to Lerner's boss, then-deputy commissioner Steven Miller."


    These people don't appear to care in the least bit how obviously ridiculous their excuses are_

    Has anyone ever wondered why Lois Lerner has remained so loyal to Barack Obama with such insurmountable evidence continuously building against her every time she opens her mouth?

    Presidential Pardon?

    Maybe Congress should let this play out till after Obama leaves office?!
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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    I don't know how to answer this without more information. That said, I'm really unsympathetic with people trying to apply for tax exemptions for political groups, while waving political motivations in the face of the IRS. So this scandal doesn't 'do it' for me.

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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    AOL.com Article - Lawmakers: IRS lost more emails in tea party probe
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    By Stephen Ohlemacher
    WASHINGTON (AP) --

    "The Internal Revenue Service has lost more emails connected to the tea party investigation, congressional investigators said Tuesday.
    The IRS said last Friday it had lost an untold number of emails when Lois Lerner's computer crashed in 2011. Lerner used to head the division that handles applications for tax-exempt status.
    On Tuesday, two key lawmakers said the IRS has also lost emails from six additional IRS workers whose computers crashed. Among them was Nikole Flax, who was chief of staff to Lerner's boss, then-deputy commissioner Steven Miller."


    These people don't appear to care in the least bit how obviously ridiculous their excuses are_

    Has anyone ever wondered why Lois Lerner has remained so loyal to Barack Obama with such insurmountable evidence continuously building against her every time she opens her mouth?

    Presidential Pardon?

    Maybe Congress should let this play out till after Obama leaves office?!
    Have you considered it could have been space aliens that came down and wiped out the computer?

    I mean seriously, this is nothing more than a "What-if" scenario. They are fun to play, but completely useless in regards to facts.

    The fact is, they are claiming the computer crashed. Now, in this day and age that is quite plausible with throw-away computers. The problem I have with the story is where are the server backups? And if this was done on a personal computer not connected with a server, why was this allowed to happen?

    Those are legitimate questions that don't delve into "what-if" scenarios and are far more productive in nature.

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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Have you considered it could have been space aliens that came down and wiped out the computer?

    I mean seriously, this is nothing more than a "What-if" scenario. They are fun to play, but completely useless in regards to facts.

    The fact is, they are claiming the computer crashed. Now, in this day and age that is quite plausible with throw-away computers. The problem I have with the story is where are the server backups? And if this was done on a personal computer not connected with a server, why was this allowed to happen?

    Those are legitimate questions that don't delve into "what-if" scenarios and are far more productive in nature.
    Yeah, data is pretty hard to lose in this day and age. I was watching one of those detective shows where a criminal cut up a floppy disk with a pair of scissors. The data was recovered by piecing the disk together with scotch tape. That was like in the 1980s...

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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Yeah, data is pretty hard to lose in this day and age. I was watching one of those detective shows where a criminal cut up a floppy disk with a pair of scissors. The data was recovered by piecing the disk together with scotch tape. That was like in the 1980s...
    Well not sure that would work entirely in this day and age with the media, but still there should be servers with backups. The only way for a government worker to bypass a server would be to use a home computer which that is not allowed for official government business. So either way, if the computer was a government computer and crashed there should be backups and if she used a personal computer for this she was in the wrong there to. There really isn't going to be a way for the IRS to get out looking bad.

    However, I will say the IRS is probably going to claim "incompetance" rather than claiming "illegal activity". Both are bad, but the former probably at worse will get someone fired while the latter would probably get jail time for someone.

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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    The vote I would have cast, was not in the poll - "Maybe" - because it's very possible, and unfortunately, would be very legal for him to pardon her... but... the violation of 18 US Code § 371, which if provable, would be an impeachable offense, or would make Obama subject to regular legal prosecution after he leaves office.

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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    AOL.com Article - Lawmakers: IRS lost more emails in tea party probe
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    By Stephen Ohlemacher
    WASHINGTON (AP) --

    "The Internal Revenue Service has lost more emails connected to the tea party investigation, congressional investigators said Tuesday.
    The IRS said last Friday it had lost an untold number of emails when Lois Lerner's computer crashed in 2011. Lerner used to head the division that handles applications for tax-exempt status.
    On Tuesday, two key lawmakers said the IRS has also lost emails from six additional IRS workers whose computers crashed. Among them was Nikole Flax, who was chief of staff to Lerner's boss, then-deputy commissioner Steven Miller."


    These people don't appear to care in the least bit how obviously ridiculous their excuses are_

    Has anyone ever wondered why Lois Lerner has remained so loyal to Barack Obama with such insurmountable evidence continuously building against her every time she opens her mouth?

    Presidential Pardon?

    Maybe Congress should let this play out till after Obama leaves office?!
    Overwhelming evidence? I think you mean the LACK or evidence is overwhelming.

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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    I don't know how to answer this without more information. That said, I'm really unsympathetic with people trying to apply for tax exemptions for political groups, while waving political motivations in the face of the IRS. So this scandal doesn't 'do it' for me.
    Why not? This is the IRS, the most powerful and dangerous of all government agencies. They can financially destroy anyone they want, and you can never escape their judgments. The possibility this Super Agency could be directed to attack law abiding citizens doesn't "do it" for you?

    Remarkable.

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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    I don't know how to answer this without more information. That said, I'm really unsympathetic with people trying to apply for tax exemptions for political groups, while waving political motivations in the face of the IRS. So this scandal doesn't 'do it' for me.
    There is substantial information establishing that a crime was indeed committed by the IRS_

    Except of course for those who believe that astronomical odds of multiple coincidences are much more plausible_

    The 7 Crashed Computers Coincidence???
    AOL.com Article - Lawmakers: IRS lost more emails in tea party probe
    WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Internal Revenue Service has lost more emails connected to the tea party investigation, congressional investigators said Tuesday.
    The IRS said last Friday it had lost an untold number of emails when Lois Lerner's computer crashed in 2011. Lerner used to head the division that handles applications for tax-exempt status.
    On Tuesday, two key lawmakers said the IRS has also lost emails from six additional IRS workers whose computers crashed. Among them was Nikole Flax, who was chief of staff to Lerner's boss, then-deputy commissioner Steven Miller.

    The two lawmakers called on the Justice Department to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the IRS, something Attorney General Eric Holder has declined to do in the past.


    The 292/6 Coincidence???
    Blog: Treasury audit: IRS targeted 292 tea party groups; 6 progressive groups
    After weeks of pushing back against charges that the IRS targeted conservative groups by saying that liberals were targeted too, the Treasury Department inspector general has released an audit showing that 292 tea party and other conservative groups were targeted while only 6 progressive groups were.

    Not only that, every single conservative group came in for special treatment. Only 30% of progressive groups received additional scrutiny.


    The BOLO List Coincidence???
    Report finds IRS targeted conservative groups, delayed applications - CNN.com
    The agency's top watchdog found that the criteria used to flag potential political applications resulted in substantial delays and the request of unnecessary information from the groups.
    Among the criteria used by IRS officials to flag applications was a "Be On the Look Out" list, or a BOLO, which was discontinued in 2012, according to the report. The criteria on the BOLO included:
    -- Whether "Tea Party," "Patriots" or "9/12 Project" was referenced in the case file.
    -- Whether the issues outlined in the application included government spending, government debt or taxes.
    -- Whether there was advocating or lobbying to "make America a better place to live."
    -- Whether a statement in the case file criticized how the country is being run.
    -- Whether it advocated education about the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
    The investigation by the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration was initiated after congressional complaints began to surface in the media in 2012 that the IRS was targeting conservative groups and holding up applications.


    Rep. Elijah Cummings involved in this IRS scandal; yet is on the Oversite Committee; Coincidence???
    New questions over Rep. Cummings' connection to IRS probe | Interviews | Fox News
    KELLY: OK. So, just to advance the story, so you smell a rat. You say something is weird, that it seems like they are coordinating, which they should not be doing, right? That's your allegation.
    MITCHELL: That's right.
    KELLY: OK. So, you have the opportunity to appear before the subcommittee in February.
    MITCHELL: That's right.
    KELLY: And you raised the allegation of coordination. Let's watch it.
    (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
    MITCHELL: We wanna get to the bottom of how these coincidences happened and we're going to try to figure out whether any, whether there was any staff of this committee that might have been involved on putting True the Vote on a radar screen in some of these federal agencies.
    REP. ELIJAH CUMMINGS, D-MD.: The gentleman yield.
    UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
    CUMMINGS: I want to thank the gentleman for his courtesy, what she just said is absolutely incorrect and not true.
    (END VIDEO CLIP)
    KELLY: So, he denies it. Now, your allegation there was very limited. You said to the staff of this committee put True the Vote on the radar screen. You know, is that -- could he be wiggling out this by saying, well, we didn't really put them on the radar screen for the IRS, they were already on the radar screen.
    MITCHELL: Well, what we -- what that clip doesn't show is that what we did that day immediately following the hearing was we filed on behalf of True the Vote a complaint against Representative Cummings and his staff, asking the Office of Congressional Ethics of the House to investigate, to find out what they did and that's what he was reacting to because he saw the complaint. We attached it to our testimony. And --
    (CROSSTALK)[/COLOR]

    The True To Vote Coincidence???
    Issa Accuses Cummings of Colluding with the IRS | National Review Online
    E-mails unearthed in the course of Issa’s investigation into the IRS’s inappropriate targeting of right-leaning groups show that in January 2013, a member of Cummings’s staff contacted the IRS asking for any publicly available information on True the Vote.

    The war between Oversight Committee chairman Darrell Issa and the committee’s ranking member, Elijah Cummings, rages on.

    Issa on Wednesday accused the Maryland Democrat of colluding with the Internal Revenue Service in its targeting of the conservative nonprofit group True the Vote, whose founder, Catherine Engelbrecht, said she received multiple letters from Cummings in 2012 and personal visits from the IRS and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Explosives. Engelbrecht’s True the Vote is one of the many conservative groups that claims to have been improperly targeted by the IRS while it scrutinized the applications of tea-party groups.


    The Lois Lerner 5th Amendment Coincidence???
    Issa, Cummings clash at hearing after ex-IRS official Lerner takes 5th | Fox News
    "On the advice of my counsel, I respectfully exercise my Fifth Amendment right and decline to answer that question,"

    A House hearing on the IRS targeting scandal rapidly broke down into a heated and deeply personal argument between a top Democrat and Republican, moments after former IRS official Lois Lerner once again invoked her Fifth Amendment right not to testify.


    The IRS doesn't appear to be in the least bit interested in explaining their actions to We The People__Coincidence???

    All indicators point to guilty for Lerner and other IRS employees and probably even a couple members of Congress_
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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    Wow, imagine the government of the United States of God Bless America lying to the citizens? Who would ever guess?

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