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Thread: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    Could have serious consquences.... for both parties.
    One hopes that is true.

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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    The electronic copies of the emails is irrelevant. The hard copies I can understand people being upset about. But from what I have seen, at best this was an error by the IRS, to say that Obama had a hand in this or the Dems had a hand in it is a huge stretch.
    It's obvious, not a stretch. The breadcrumbs are all lined up ... the only people buying this are blind partisans or those in denial.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    I edited your post to only address your response to me.
    I'm fine with that as long as your "edit" doesn't confuse the original meaning or alter the intent of my words_

    That being said what crime was committed?
    How about we start Lerner off with the charges of Perjury and Evidence Tampering just to let her know we mean business_

    Then we can get really nasty by hitting her with Public Corruption; Color of Law Abuses; and Civil Rights Violations_

    Public Corruption:
    FBI — Public Corruption a Top Priority
    Why It’s Our #1 Criminal Priority
    Public corruption is a breach of trust by federal, state, or local officials—
    Question: Why is public corruption so high on the FBI’s list of investigative priorities?
    Answer: Because of its impact. Corrupt public officials undermine our country’s national security, our overall safety, the public trust, and confidence in the U.S. government, wasting billions of dollars along the way. This corruption can tarnish virtually every aspect of society. For example, a border official might take a bribe, knowingly or unknowingly letting in a truck containing weapons of mass destruction. Or corrupt state legislators could cast deciding votes on a bill providing funding or other benefits to a company for the wrong reasons. Or at the local level, a building inspector might be paid to overlook some bad wiring, which could cause a deadly fire down the road.

    Color of Law Abuses:
    FBI — Color of Law
    U.S. law enforcement officers and other officials like judges, prosecutors, and security guards have been given tremendous power by local, state, and federal government agencies—authority they must have to enforce the law and ensure justice in our country. These powers include the authority to detain and arrest suspects, to search and seize property, to bring criminal charges, to make rulings in court, and to use deadly force in certain situations.
    Preventing abuse of this authority, however, is equally necessary to the health of our nation’s democracy. That’s why it’s a federal crime for anyone acting under “color of law” willfully to deprive or conspire to deprive a person of a right protected by the Constitution or U.S. law. “Color of law” simply means that the person is using authority given to him or her by a local, state, or federal government agency.

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    Title 18, U.S.C., Section 241/Conspiracy Against Rights
    Title 18, U.S.C., Section 242/Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law
    Title 18, U.S.C., Section 245/Federally Protected Activities


    I'm sure there's a number of other crimes these government workers can be charged with but I'm really hoping that a guilty verdict would free the guilty parties up for personal lawsuits so that their victims might be made whole and the ex-IRS employees be made eligible for public housing and food stamps after they're released from prison_

    At best the IRS used poor judgement
    ie; These corrupt lowlifes will receive the usual punishment reserved for government employees which is an extended paid vacation_

    Sorry Voyager, but it's not considered "poor judgement" unless they are actually charged, convicted, and sentenced for their crimes_

    Without which the IRS will continue on it's present course of power abuse and We The People will continue to be at their mercy_

    I will continue emailing my Congress Rep and Senators twice a week demanding Lerner's head on a dirty platter till this is resolved_

    and had too few resources to do a job that they were tasked to do.
    The IRS is far from strapped for resources which is obvious by their very generous salaries, benefits, bonuses, and perks_
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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    The electronic copies of the emails is irrelevant. The hard copies I can understand people being upset about. But from what I have seen, at best this was an error by the IRS, to say that Obama had a hand in this or the Dems had a hand in it is a huge stretch.
    "Means, Motive, and Opportunity are the three aspects of a crime that must be established before guilt can be determined"
    (this is a quote but I don't remember where I read it so; oh well)

    The "means" refers to having access to the tool, knowledge or expertise to plan and/or perpetrate any particular crime in question_

    As with all crimes the usual suspects are people with likely "motives" which translates to anyone who might benefit from the crime_

    Then it must be determined which of those suspects had "opportunity" which in this case requires someone with access and power_

    When means, motive and opportunity been discovered; it's usually not too difficult to determine who the guilty party is likely to be_

    From everything that's been reported, the IRS has reaped no benefit from this crime which indicates that it has no apparent "motive"_

    But the IRS does have the unique ability of "opportunity" which makes it the perfect "means" for someone that does have a "motive"_

    The person with a "motive" would of course have to be someone of sufficient access and power to influence the highest ranks of the IRS_

    Although it's possible some over-zealous IRS employees took it upon themselves to eliminate a few obstacles to their beloved Obama_

    But it's quite obvious that Attorney General Eric Holder is on board with the IRS which leads me to believe this must go a little higher up_

    IMO; it's either the top dog Obama or several Democrat members of Congress and/or Senate or possibly even the whole corrupt bunch_
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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    Wow. Who needs a judicial system....

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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It's obvious, not a stretch. The breadcrumbs are all lined up ... the only people buying this are blind partisans or those in denial.
    Obvious. Name names at the IRS, Treasury or even the Democratic Party. Show your evidence....

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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    Obvious.
    Yep obvious.

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    Name names at the IRS, Treasury or even the Democratic Party. Show your evidence....
    I think they're starting that this morning. Watch C-Span. I must admit, you defending "The dog ate my homework" and asking for evidence is precious.
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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Yep obvious.

    I think they're starting that this morning. Watch C-Span. I must admit, you defending "The dog ate my homework" and asking for evidence is precious.
    If they name names then I reserve the right to change my mind. But I am not going to convict a person, persons or agency based no evidence OR the lack of evidence being the evidence. They way some are acting about this, reminds me of the far left on George Zimmerman. He was guilty, just because the mob wished it.

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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    If they name names then I reserve the right to change my mind. But I am not going to convict a person, persons or agency based no evidence OR the lack of evidence being the evidence. They way some are acting about this, reminds me of the far left on George Zimmerman. He was guilty, just because the mob wished it.
    Here's the difference with Zimmerman... Zimmermans gun didn't mysteriously disappear, pictures of Zimmerman didn't mysteriously disappear, the phone call records and recordings that Zimmerman made to the police didn't mysteriously get erased from every known device or blamed on "computer crashes", and the autopsy reports didn't suddenly disappear. If they had, my guess is tin foil hats would still be in fashion and now your trying to convince.... I don't know who, certainly not me.... that this is all just a very coincidental and common happenstance of events where all connection to the IRS and any outside government group was erased, removed, thrown away or destroyed. AKA - 'The dog ate my homework'.

    Props for defending the politically indefensible but really - it's starting to sound like you actually believe it.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Here's the difference with Zimmerman... Zimmermans gun didn't mysteriously disappear, pictures of Zimmerman didn't mysteriously disappear, the phone call records and recordings that Zimmerman made to the police didn't mysteriously get erased from every known device or blamed on "computer crashes", and the autopsy reports didn't suddenly disappear. If they had, my guess is tin foil hats would still be in fashion and now your trying to convince.... I don't know who, certainly not me.... that this is all just a very coincidental and common happenstance of events where all connection to the IRS and any outside government group was erased, removed, thrown away or destroyed. AKA - 'The dog ate my homework'.

    Props for defending the politically indefensible but really - it's starting to sound like you actually believe it.
    I never said that anything disappeared in the Zimmerman case, I said the far left mob wished Zimmerman guilty. Lois Lerner is guilty because the far right wishes it. Just two sides of the same coin. Sad thing is had the GOP given Lerner immunity y'all might actually know if anything happened. Recall she was the first IRS official to say what happened, the GOP went after her and she clammed up.

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