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Thread: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    Pardoned? More like promoted.

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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    Maybe. But once a new Administration comes in, scandals of the past just disappear.
    I think we're beginning to see a change in this regard.

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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Not when the Federal Goverment networks and servers keep and monitor every single IP address on that network. Not believable at all.

    Of course you need hard proof, you'll probably dispute the hard proof even if provided again, because ideologically you're supporting a political party above common sense or reality.

    That is the whole point. The emails in question were stored for 6 months, then destroyed. The hard drive that is in question supposedly crashed and was recycled. So this is 2014, the emails in question were from more then 6 months ago are gone. The only thing that is bothersome is that the hard copies are gone... But is there isn't anything overly damning in the first 24000 released.

    But let's say you had those emails in hard copy, what if there isn't anything that proves your conspiracy? You just going to keep digging until you find something? How long do you dig till you admit there isn't anything there?

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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    That is the whole point. The emails in question were stored for 6 months, then destroyed.
    Which is illegal. Emails are required to be held for years, not months on the servers and if they were deleted.... we have a the gun and the smoke is right behind.

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    The hard drive that is in question supposedly crashed and was recycled. So this is 2014, the emails in question were from more then 6 months ago are gone. The only thing that is bothersome is that the hard copies are gone... But is there isn't anything overly damning in the first 24000 released.
    Hard drives are irrelevant. Bothersome?

    You're wanting people to believe that all six of the people who are involved ALL had their hard drives irreperably damaged. All emails on the servers have been deleted (illegally perhaps). All hard copies were destroyed. And all this is a big "oopsie". Wanna buy a bridge in Brooklyn?

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    But let's say you had those emails in hard copy, what if there isn't anything that proves your conspiracy? You just going to keep digging until you find something? How long do you dig till you admit there isn't anything there?
    It would depend on the content of those emails.
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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    I have seen no evidence of a conspiracy. The IRS was told do something then when they did it people got upset. Did the IRS break some of their own rules... yes. But a conspiracy? Not seeing it.
    More than one party agreeing among themselves to commit a criminal act is the definition of a conspiracy in the most formal sense.
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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    I have never worked for the IRS but was at the VA for a little over a year. The idea of the government recycling a hard drive and losing those emails is completely believable. Don't under estimate the insanity of government proceedures.

    But for there to be a conspiracy, I need hard proof. And the 24000 emails already released doesn't show me a conspiracy. And thinking there has to be a smoking gun in the lost emails is just wishful thinking.
    Yes, just as there was nothing suspicious about the missing 18 minutes of tape in the Watergate hearings, right? If you were guilty as sin and ordered to turn over all the e-mails, would you be tempted to swamp them with non controversial e-mails but sort of forget to include those that would condemn you? Would you be tempted to see that incriminating evidence sort of disappeared? How plausible is it that seven different IRS employees amazingly had computer hard drive failures at the very same time during the presumed scandal and that the hard drive would be destroyed at the same time? And for some reason those particular computers hadn't been backed up when everybody elses was?

    How much coincidence is tolerable before it begins to be implausible?
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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Which is illegal. Emails are required to be held for years, not months on the servers and if they were deleted.... we have a the gun and the smoke is right behind.

    Hard drives are irrelevant. Bothersome?

    You're wanting people to believe that all six of the people who are involved ALL had their hard drives irreperably damaged. All emails on the servers have been deleted (illegally perhaps). All hard copies were destroyed. And all this is a big "oopsie". Wanna buy a bridge in Brooklyn?

    It would depend on the content of those emails.


    The electronic copies of the emails is irrelevant. The hard copies I can understand people being upset about. But from what I have seen, at best this was an error by the IRS, to say that Obama had a hand in this or the Dems had a hand in it is a huge stretch.

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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    More than one party agreeing among themselves to commit a criminal act is the definition of a conspiracy in the most formal sense.
    Name names at IRS or Treasury.

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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Yes, just as there was nothing suspicious about the missing 18 minutes of tape in the Watergate hearings, right? If you were guilty as sin and ordered to turn over all the e-mails, would you be tempted to swamp them with non controversial e-mails but sort of forget to include those that would condemn you? Would you be tempted to see that incriminating evidence sort of disappeared? How plausible is it that seven different IRS employees amazingly had computer hard drive failures at the very same time during the presumed scandal and that the hard drive would be destroyed at the same time? And for some reason those particular computers hadn't been backed up when everybody elses was?

    How much coincidence is tolerable before it begins to be implausible?
    Coincidence is just that. I look for causality.
    I also think that if someone did what you think they did, they wouldn't be dumb enough to use an IRS email address. Even the Christie bridge-gate staffers used non state emails.

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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I think we're beginning to see a change in this regard.
    Could have serious consquences.... for both parties.

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