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Thread: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Wow, imagine the government of the United States of God Bless America lying to the citizens? Who would ever guess?
    But, but, but Obama has the most "transparent" administration ever. Just ask him, that is what he promised.

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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Have you considered it could have been space aliens that came down and wiped out the computer?
    Have you considered that it is exactly what it appears to be?!

    An obvious lie by Lois Lerner and the IRS to cover up a scandalous crime and avoid prison?!

    I mean seriously, this is nothing more than a "What-if" scenario. They are fun to play, but completely useless in regards to facts.
    This is far from being a "What if" scenario_

    In fact; the poll question is extremely appropriate considering the course the IRS scandal has taken_

    The poll simply asks people for their personal opinions based on news reports concerning the IRS scandal_

    The fact is, they are claiming the computer crashed. Now, in this day and age that is quite plausible with throw-away computers. The problem I have with the story is where are the server backups? And if this was done on a personal computer not connected with a server, why was this allowed to happen?

    Those are legitimate questions that don't delve into "what-if" scenarios and are far more productive in nature.
    You appear to know very little about what's been going on pertaining to this IRS scandal_

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Well not sure that would work entirely in this day and age with the media, but still there should be servers with backups. The only way for a government worker to bypass a server would be to use a home computer which that is not allowed for official government business. So either way, if the computer was a government computer and crashed there should be backups and if she used a personal computer for this she was in the wrong there to. There really isn't going to be a way for the IRS to get out looking bad.
    To the best of my knowledge; all seven "crashed computers" were standard IRS equipment!

    However, I will say the IRS is probably going to claim "incompetance" rather than claiming "illegal activity". Both are bad, but the former probably at worse will get someone fired while the latter would probably get jail time for someone.
    Yep; that does appear to be the story the IRS is running with_

    Report finds IRS targeted conservative groups, delayed applications - CNN.com
    In a written response included in the report, the IRS commissioner of the Tax Exempt and Government Entities Division said there was no criminal behavior behind the actions of the agents, but rather inefficient management.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    The vote I would have cast, was not in the poll - "Maybe" - because it's very possible, and unfortunately, would be very legal for him to pardon her... but... the violation of 18 US Code § 371, which if provable, would be an impeachable offense, or would make Obama subject to regular legal prosecution after he leaves office.
    A rock solid witness would be required to convict the first black POTUS of an Oval Office related crime!

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Overwhelming evidence? I think you mean the LACK or evidence is overwhelming.
    The circumstantial evidence is staggering and and the excuses and actions of those involved are more condemning than convincing_

    There are Crips and Bloods in San Quentin that were convicted by circumstantial evidence far less remarkable than what the IRS faces_

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Why not? This is the IRS, the most powerful and dangerous of all government agencies. They can financially destroy anyone they want, and you can never escape their judgments. The possibility this Super Agency could be directed to attack law abiding citizens doesn't "do it" for you?

    Remarkable.
    Remarkable indeed__Obama supporters fail to see the danger in allowing this powerful government agency to be used as a political weapon_

    But someday when the IRS turns on them (and it will) they will realize too late the monster they helped to create_
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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakeside View Post
    But, but, but Obama has the most "transparent" administration ever. Just ask him, that is what he promised.
    uh huh.....alrighty then.

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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    Have you considered that it is exactly what it appears to be?!

    An obvious lie by Lois Lerner and the IRS to cover up a scandalous crime and avoid prison?!

    This is far from being a "What if" scenario_

    In fact; the poll question is extremely appropriate considering the course the IRS scandal has taken_

    The poll simply asks people for their personal opinions based on news reports concerning the IRS scandal_

    You appear to know very little about what's been going on pertaining to this IRS scandal_

    To the best of my knowledge; all seven "crashed computers" were standard IRS equipment!

    Yep; that does appear to be the story the IRS is running with_

    Report finds IRS targeted conservative groups, delayed applications - CNN.com
    In a written response included in the report, the IRS commissioner of the Tax Exempt and Government Entities Division said there was no criminal behavior behind the actions of the agents, but rather inefficient management.

    A rock solid witness would be required to convict the first black POTUS of an Oval Office related crime!

    The circumstantial evidence is staggering and and the excuses and actions of those involved are more condemning than convincing_

    There are Crips and Bloods in San Quentin that were convicted by circumstantial evidence far less remarkable than what the IRS faces_

    Remarkable indeed__Obama supporters fail to see the danger in allowing this powerful government agency to be used as a political weapon_

    But someday when the IRS turns on them (and it will) they will realize too late the monster they helped to create_
    I think what many people fail to see is any evidence of harm or coordination any farther than the local office. Add that to a law that is impossibly ambiguous and mistakes happen. The truth is that none of those groups that were "delayed" and most that were not, deserved to get tax exempt status and they received it anyway. If anything it shows how the IRS has been hogtied by Congress into giving tax exempt status to groups that are anything but charitable. They are political action groups and nothing more. The law should be changed so they pay taxes on their income like the rest of us.
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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    This whole scandal is going nowhere, and when Obama vacates the office this will be completely dead.

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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    This whole scandal is going nowhere, and when Obama vacates the office this will be completely dead.
    It seems to me that a sensible course would be to wait until Obama's term has ended, and a new President and a new administration is in place, and then begin an earnest investigation, with an Attorney General who isn't loyal to Obama, and with a President who isn't going to simply hand out pardons to anyone who is implicated by that investigation.

    The coverup itself is so blatant, at this point, that even if what is being covered up cannot be proven, it appears that a proper and unobstructed investigation will, at the very least, produce sufficient evidence to bring criminal charges and prison time against whomever can be proven to be complicit in the coverup itself—and this could very well include Ms. Lerner and even Mr Obama himself.
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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    It seems to me that a sensible course would be to wait until Obama's term has ended, and a new President and a new administration is in place, and then begin an earnest investigation, with an Attorney General who isn't loyal to Obama, and with a President who isn't going to simply hand out pardons to anyone who is implicated by that investigation.

    The coverup itself is so blatant, at this point, that even if what is being covered up cannot be proven, it appears that a proper and unobstructed investigation will, at the very least, produce sufficient evidence to bring criminal charges and prison time against whomever can be proven to be complicit in the coverup itself—and this could very well include Ms. Lerner and even Mr Obama himself.
    There will be no investigation after Obama is gone. The GOP isn't dumb and doesn't want to start that as a precedent.

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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I think what many people fail to see is any evidence of harm or coordination any farther than the local office. Add that to a law that is impossibly ambiguous and mistakes happen. The truth is that none of those groups that were "delayed" and most that were not, deserved to get tax exempt status and they received it anyway. If anything it shows how the IRS has been hogtied by Congress into giving tax exempt status to groups that are anything but charitable. They are political action groups and nothing more. The law should be changed so they pay taxes on their income like the rest of us.
    Where in the world do you get your information?! They adhered to the same non-profit guidelines that Progressive groups used to apply_

    One of the reasons they knew that they were being discriminated against was the obvious delay of their applications!

    (another reason they knew they were being discriminated against was the harassment by multiple government agencies)

    Report finds IRS targeted conservative groups, delayed applications - CNN.com
    The report found that all of the applications that were sent to the Determinations Unit "experienced substantial delays in processing."

    The report's findings indicate that of the 298 cases reviewed by the IRS inspector general as potential political cases not eligible for tax exempt status: 72 contained the name "tea party," 11 contained "9/12" and 13 contained the word "patriots," according to the report. There were 202 cases that did not contain any such reference.
    Of those applications still open for review, 160 cases were open from 206 days to more than three years -- through two election cycles.


    The excerpt below confirms that while Conservative applications were delayed; their Progressive counterparts were quickly approved_

    "Although the processing of some applications with potential significant political campaign intervention was started soon after receipt, no work was completed on the majority of these applications for 13 months," it said.

    I absolutely cannot understand how you people can continue to make excuses for and even support such obvious corruption_

    Unless of course you people subscribe to the notion that "the end justifies the means"!
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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Have you considered it could have been space aliens that came down and wiped out the computer?

    I mean seriously, this is nothing more than a "What-if" scenario. They are fun to play, but completely useless in regards to facts.

    The fact is, they are claiming the computer crashed. Now, in this day and age that is quite plausible with throw-away computers. The problem I have with the story is where are the server backups? And if this was done on a personal computer not connected with a server, why was this allowed to happen?

    Those are legitimate questions that don't delve into "what-if" scenarios and are far more productive in nature.

    Of course. Space aliens are the only logical conclusion!
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    Re: Has Obama cut a deal with Lois Lerner ???

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    Of course. Space aliens are the only logical conclusion!
    I didn't say it was the ONLY conclusion, I simply stated playing "What-if" games like this are quite pointless. Nice try at deflection though, too bad it was lousy.

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