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    Is this murder?

    Note: If you're squeamish, don't watch this video.

    Following is actual video footage of an incident that occurred at a North Carolina jail. You can see a prison guard body slam an inmate two times. You can see that the prison guard was provoked.

    The inmate never regained consciousness and died of blunt force trauma to the head after two days in the hospital. The inmate was in prison for being intoxicated at a bus stop, and the confrontation was apparently over an incident that occurred earlier in which the inmate's hand had nearly got caught in a trap door while the guard was closing it.


    My question to you: based on what you see, was the prison guard doing his job? Was he relying on his training (as he himself said) or is he using excessive force? Would you characterize what you see on film here as murder? Manslaughter? A prison guard doing his duty?



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    Re: Is this murder?

    based on what you say we don't see or hear enough of what happened on this video to make a good judgment from it alone

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    Re: Is this murder?

    That's pro wrestling in prison.

    The convict was being confrontational & was probably warned to step off, which he didn't, so he got pushed away, stepped back up and the CO slammed him like a rag doll until the threat was neutralized.

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    Re: Is this murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by blarg View Post
    based on what you say we don't see or hear enough of what happened on this video to make a good judgment from it alone
    This is from an actual court case. What I've given you in the OP is all the information the jury had to work with. This is the video evidence. The plaintiff's testimony was that the inmate was confronting him due to the prior incident with the trap door, and that he was using his training to neutralize the situation.

    That's all the jury had to work with, and they were able to come to a conclusion.

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    Re: Is this murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Note: If you're squeamish, don't watch this video.

    Following is actual video footage of an incident that occurred at a North Carolina jail. You can see a prison guard body slam an inmate two times. You can see that the prison guard was provoked.

    The inmate never regained consciousness and died of blunt force trauma to the head after two days in the hospital. The inmate was in prison for being intoxicated at a bus stop, and the confrontation was apparently over an incident that occurred earlier in which the inmate's hand had nearly got caught in a trap door while the guard was closing it.


    My question to you: based on what you see, was the prison guard doing his job? Was he relying on his training (as he himself said) or is he using excessive force? Would you characterize what you see on film here as murder? Manslaughter? A prison guard doing his duty?


    based on what you provided i dont see any "murder".

    my only concern is if this is real jail? or a youth correctional facility. say the guard is a grown man fully trained and that was a 14yr old he body slammed. Then i might say its aggressive but not murder

    my question is simply what sane, nonthreatening rational man ATTACKS a police officer / security guard?

    he is already a criminal, no real reason to trust him or give him the benefit of the doubt; strike 1
    he then decides to attack repeatedly in gen pop; strike two
    because of the two above the situation could get out of control quickly if the threat isnt stopped and other join in. strike 3

    unless theres more if im on the jury i say its not murde
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    Re: Is this murder?

    First slam, justified neutralizing of a violent inmate.
    Second slam, rage induced over the top revenge violence, picking up and slamming an unconscious man... likely the cause of his death.
    Manslaughter.

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    Re: Is this murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    based on what you provided i dont see any "murder".

    my only concern is if this is real jail? or a youth correctional facility. say the guard is a grown man fully trained and that was a 14yr old he body slammed. Then i might say its aggressive but not murder

    my question is simply what sane, nonthreatening rational man ATTACKS a police officer / security guard?

    he is already a criminal, no real reason to trust him or give him the benefit of the doubt; strike 1
    he then decides to attack repeatedly in gen pop; strike two
    because of the two above the situation could get out of control quickly if the threat isnt stopped and other join in. strike 3

    unless theres more if I'm on the jury i say its not murde

    It's an adult prison. The inmate was a 40 year old man weighing 119 lbs, he was in prison for being intoxicated at a bus stop and for possession of narcotics.

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    Re: Is this murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm
    .....My question to you: based on what you see, was the prison guard doing his job? Was he relying on his training (as he himself said) or is he using excessive force? Would you characterize what you see on film here as murder? Manslaughter? A prison guard doing his duty?

    Imo, it looks like excessive force. The prison guard was twice the prisoners size and tried to slam his hand in the cell door and then shoved him across the room before the prisoner finally tried to accost him. It looked like the guard deliberately broke the prisoners neck.

    Intoxication at a bus stop is a prison offense....and a death sentence apparently.

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    Re: Is this murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Note: If you're squeamish, don't watch this video.

    Following is actual video footage of an incident that occurred at a North Carolina jail. You can see a prison guard body slam an inmate two times. You can see that the prison guard was provoked.

    The inmate never regained consciousness and died of blunt force trauma to the head after two days in the hospital. The inmate was in prison for being intoxicated at a bus stop, and the confrontation was apparently over an incident that occurred earlier in which the inmate's hand had nearly got caught in a trap door while the guard was closing it.


    My question to you: based on what you see, was the prison guard doing his job? Was he relying on his training (as he himself said) or is he using excessive force? Would you characterize what you see on film here as murder? Manslaughter? A prison guard doing his duty?


    I think you would want to know more for a final desicion, but that will be hard to judge in any case. The prisoner aproached the guard after a first Encounter. That would have the feel of aggression and the guard would have the right to stop preceived danger to his person. I don't like it and think the prison should prevent this type of thing. How to do it, I have no idea.

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    Re: Is this murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    It's an adult prison. The inmate was a 40 year old man weighing 119 lbs, he was in prison for being intoxicated at a bus stop and for possession of narcotics.
    then again without more i simply dont see "murder"
    what he is in prison for really doesnt matter to me since he attacked the guard. that instantly deems him a nutcase.

    somebody did mention about the consciousness of the criminal though. If he was clearly already out on the first slam then again i might say its excessive but not murder.

    I just dont have any tolerance for one person attacking a second and the second one is supposed to do all the work and risk their lives over a nut case violating their rights. WHy should the victim risk their lives beyond any normal amount.

    THis moron criminal doesnt attack a prison guard he is still alive. Sounds like a darwin award is in order IMO
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