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  • Yes, this is murder.

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  • No, this is manslaughter.

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  • No, this was a man in uniform doing his job

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    Re: Is this murder?

    I am no homicide detective.

    So my opinions on such matters really dont matter and neither do yours or anyone elses.

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    Re: Is this murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I think you would want to know more for a final desicion, but that will be hard to judge in any case. The prisoner aproached the guard after a first Encounter. That would have the feel of aggression and the guard would have the right to stop preceived danger to his person. I don't like it and think the prison should prevent this type of thing. How to do it, I have no idea.
    The unconscious man lying still and quiet at the guard's feet after the first body slam presented no threat whatsoever to the guard.
    At that point the guard picked up a defenseless human and threw him to the floor in a rage, causing lethal injury.
    Easy peasy manslaughter. No premeditation. Not murder ...manslaughter.

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    Re: Is this murder?

    The body slam was ok but a pile driver would garner more style points. I give the guard a 7.2 out of 10.
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    Re: Is this murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    1.)The unconscious man lying still and quiet at the guard's feet after the first body slam presented no threat whatsoever to the guard.
    At that point the guard picked up a defenseless human and threw him to the floor in a rage, causing lethal injury.
    Easy peasy manslaughter. No premeditation. Not murder ...manslaughter.
    how do you know he is unconscious? where is that info at? there is literally 3 seconds between slams

    now with that said it "the no threat" could be factually determined id be more willing to agree this was excessive or worse but the info/video in the OP doesnt show that unless i choose to ASSUME.
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    Re: Is this murder?

    Murder, because it looks like the guard provoked the inmate by shoving him.

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    Re: Is this murder?

    Murder 2. Maybe murder 1. At the very least. The big dude threw the first punch and knocked the client backwards about 6 feet. He hit him with a right AFIK. Anything the inmate did after that was self-defense. After all, he's locked in the room and was physically attacked. There is no place to retreat in such a predicament. He must fight for his life. And there is no second chance when attacked by such a violent gorilla.

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    Re: Is this murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    The unconscious man lying still and quiet at the guard's feet after the first body slam presented no threat whatsoever to the guard.
    At that point the guard picked up a defenseless human and threw him to the floor in a rage, causing lethal injury.
    Easy peasy manslaughter. No premeditation. Not murder ...manslaughter.
    As I said, we might need more info for a decision. My opinion was from what I saw from one viewing. But without wanting to revisit the vid, I will just let it go.

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    Re: Is this murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    First slam, justified neutralizing of a violent inmate.
    Second slam, rage induced over the top revenge violence, picking up and slamming an unconscious man... likely the cause of his death.
    Manslaughter.
    Disagree. As sad as that was, the inmate was violent and KNEW not to confront the guard, which he did. The 2nd slam while maybe or maybe not necessary, was probably believed to be necessary by the person who was threatened and in the best position to know...the guard. Once you are in a physical confrontation, you HAVE to completely stop your opponent. To ensure your own safetly. That 'stopping' can take different forms...like the retreat of the attacker, their death, complete immobilization, etc.
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    Re: Is this murder?

    manslaughter.
    The guard was out of his mind but clearly the slamming was not planned.
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    Re: Is this murder?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    First slam, justified neutralizing of a violent inmate.
    Second slam, rage induced over the top revenge violence, picking up and slamming an unconscious man... likely the cause of his death.
    Manslaughter.
    That's the way I saw it also. I hate to pass judgement with no other information than is in the OP, but as I watched the video, I was fine with everything I saw the CO do, until the second body slam.

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