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    Which of the following offices best trains Presidents?

    Pick one, please. And feel free to explain your thoughts.

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    Re: Which of the following offices best trains Presidents?

    Governor is the only public, chief executive listed - so I picked that one.
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    Re: Which of the following offices best trains Presidents?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tothian View Post
    Pick one, please. And feel free to explain your thoughts.
    I picked a congressman. My reasoning is that I think that, for the most part, they're leaders. But more important than that, they are "in the loop" on many insider goings-on. By virtue of their being part of either one, he/she would have formed alliances and friendships. Association with even distant colleagues in both chambers would tend to give him/her a bit of an edge, in my opinion. Knowing where even rivals stand on issues and why they stand there might prove valuable as well.

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    Re: Which of the following offices best trains Presidents?

    They all offer different experiences.

    Our first few Presidents were Secretaries of State, from the 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th. The 2nd and 3rd were Vice Presidents. The first was a Lieutenant General (most think Washington was a 4 Star General - he was a 3 Star General but posthumously by Jimmy Carter made a 6 Star General) but also ran some type of College or University, and I think he also served as a Delegate to the Continental Congress.

    Not a lot of the earlier Presidents were Governors, except for Thomas Jefferson. There were also a few Military Governors like Andrew Jackson and William Henry Harrison. A lot of the Presidents served in Congress - not as their highest office before being President, but earlier on in their political careers.

    Being a Governor is a lot like being President. They run a state, have a cabinet, work with the upper and lower houses of the state legislature. It does offer experience.

    Being in the Senate or Congress, you're dealing with most of the same issues as they deal with in the White House. The only types of Leadership tend to be Committee Chairs, and Minority/Majority Leaders, and Speaker, or Senate President pro tem (the latter is more ceremonial than leadership, although it is 3rd in line in the Presidential line of succession).

    Being Vice President is not regarded as a role that helps give experience, because their primary role is to cast tie-breaking votes in the Senate, and to fill in when the President is either inactive or not in that office anymore. Yet, the President gets to decide the role of the Vice President, so that can be a little or a lot.

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    Re: Which of the following offices best trains Presidents?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Governor is the only public, chief executive listed - so I picked that one.
    Cool. Same here.

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    Re: Which of the following offices best trains Presidents?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I picked a congressman. My reasoning is that I think that, for the most part, they're leaders. But more important than that, they are "in the loop" on many insider goings-on. By virtue of their being part of either one, he/she would have formed alliances and friendships. Association with even distant colleagues in both chambers would tend to give him/her a bit of an edge, in my opinion. Knowing where even rivals stand on issues and why they stand there might prove valuable as well.
    Thanks for sharing your thoughts. You make a good point.

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    Re: Which of the following offices best trains Presidents?

    I said Military....the few Presidents we have had that came solely from a military background ( no other high office experience) have done ok in my book....they have done the least harm , anyways.

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    Re: Which of the following offices best trains Presidents?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I picked a congressman. My reasoning is that I think that, for the most part, they're leaders. But more important than that, they are "in the loop" on many insider goings-on. By virtue of their being part of either one, he/she would have formed alliances and friendships. Association with even distant colleagues in both chambers would tend to give him/her a bit of an edge, in my opinion. Knowing where even rivals stand on issues and why they stand there might prove valuable as well.
    weird, what you see as a benefit, I see as a detriment.

    s'all good

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    Re: Which of the following offices best trains Presidents?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I said Military....the few Presidents we have had that came solely from a military background ( no other high office experience) have done ok in my book....they have done the least harm , anyways.
    Carter was in the Navy before he was a farmer. Just saying.

    List of presidents by occupation.

    List of Presidents of the United States by occupation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Which of the following offices best trains Presidents?

    None of the above, really.

    Being in the Cabinet lets you actually observe the office of the Presidency in action, and the person participates in that administration in a meaningful way. Governors often don't have the same level of responsibility from state to state, so it wouldn't be equal in all states anyway. But, I can't imagine a governor having any real concept of the scale of the Presidency, even if they are from a large state like California. Vice Presidents don't really have much responsibility, as I understand it, though the President can include them in decision making in such a manner that they actually do gain some experience. However, they are not obligated to, by my understanding. Senators who hold certain responsibilities would be better than other Senators, but I think they are still less than Cabinet position of equal lengths.

    A Cabinet position often lasts less than 4 years, and Senators often are in office for multiple terms. I think a Senator who had been in the Senate a long time and served on the right committees would have some of the best experience to be had.

    It would be nice to have someone who had held more than one of these positions.

    All that said: I don't think you can really say "Which one". It depends on their actual experiences in that position. But, If I had to choose, I would say Cabinet.
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