View Poll Results: Should U.S. Congress & Senate have term limits?

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  • No. Let them serve as long as both they choose and as long as they can win re-election.

    12 37.50%
  • Yes. 1 term limit per office, lifetime. (2 yrs for Congress, 6 yrs for Senate).

    2 6.25%
  • Yes. 1 consecutive term limit per office (1 term at a time, even if completing an unexpired term)

    2 6.25%
  • Yes. But I believe this is how many terms should be the limit. (Please specify)

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    Re: Should Congress have term limits?

    I haven't looked into the matter as much as I should. My current position is that there should be term limits. If policy makers are making policy based on what will get them re-elected, rather than what is good for the country, then obviously that stinks.

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    Re: Should Congress have term limits?

    Nope. If the people want them then they should be there.


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    Re: Should Congress have term limits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    I haven't looked into the matter as much as I should. My current position is that there should be term limits. If policy makers are making policy based on what will get them re-elected, rather than what is good for the country, then obviously that stinks.
    this is one reason why the 17th needs to be repealed

    because the house is the interest of the people, and the senate the interest of the states....each has its own interest to protect.

    so for any legislation to pass congress both the interest of the people and the interest of the states must come together, for what is good for the union as a whole.

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    Re: Should Congress have term limits?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    what it means is lobbyist would have to visit every state, and lobby the whole state legislature.

    today all a lobbyist has to do is go to 1 centralized location and lobby 1 person... the senator,,,,,,,,making lobbying far much easier.
    The only thing repealing the 17th would do is make it slightly inconvenient to lobbyists.Companies have deep pockets.

    a senator does the bidding of the state legislature,,he is not free to make his own decision, if he choses try to do that action, the state can ask for his resignation, and he will of coarse never be reelected by them, if he does not vote according to the state.

    example: under the ACA 26 states sued the federal government over it, if the 17th had not been in place those states legislatures would have directed their senators to vote ...no....it would have never passed.
    You seem to be under the impression that people appoint those who re ideologically the opposite of them. Left winger will appoint left wingers and right wingers will appoint right wingers.One only has to look at presidential appointments to see that is true. So I am fine with politicians being answerable to citizens instead of other politicians.
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    Re: Should Congress have term limits?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The only thing repealing the 17th would do is make it slightly inconvenient to lobbyists.Companies have deep pockets.


    You seem to be under the impression that people appoint those who re ideologically the opposite of them. Left winger will appoint left wingers and right wingers will appoint right wingers.One only has to look at presidential appointments to see that is true. So I am fine with politicians being answerable to citizens instead of other politicians.
    the house elected by the people is by its very nature is a collective body.

    the senate elected by the state legislature is NOT a collective body.

    the senate was constructed to BLOCK the collective captivity of the people. to prevent socialism, for 1, and 2 to prevent tranny of the majority, and 3 to prevent factious combinations from controlling our government .

    because the interest of the senate is different then the house, the senate does not care about what legislation the houses passes, it is only concerns about maintaining its states powers from government usurpation....because of the 17th, this has allowed government to usurp states powers, because state power in the senate has been taken away.

    by repealing the 17th you, return government to balance,.....you put back into our government a CHECK on the federal government.

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    Re: Should Congress have term limits?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the house elected by the people is by its very nature is a collective body.

    the senate elected by the state legislature is NOT a collective body.

    the senate was constructed to BLOCK the collective captivity of the people. to prevent socialism, for 1, and 2 to prevent tranny of the majority, and 3 to prevent factious combinations from controlling our government .

    because the interest of the senate is different then the house, the senate does not care about what legislation the houses passes, it is only concerns about maintaining its states powers from government usurpation....because of the 17th, this has allowed government to usurp states powers, because state power in the senate has been taken away.

    by repealing the 17th you, return government to balance,.....you put back into our government a CHECK on the federal government.
    Most people these days are not worried about a check on the federal government. Most just want their parties agenda rammed down the throats of the people whether they want it, like it or not. To go back to where the states are once again represented might prevent all this ramming down. I agree with your post. The states have lost their representation in congress, the senate is now just a mini House of Representatives. Left unsaid in your post, I think repealing the 17th would dilute the power of the political parties also. This is probably the main reason the repeal will never happen.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Should Congress have term limits?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the house elected by the people is by its very nature is a collective body.

    the senate elected by the state legislature is NOT a collective body.

    because the interest of the senate is different then the house, the senate does not care about what legislation the houses passes, it is only concerns about maintaining its states powers from government usurpation....because of the 17th, this has allowed government to usurp states powers, because state power in the senate has been taken away.

    by repealing the 17th you, return government to balance,.....you put back into our government a CHECK on the federal government.
    Again left wingers appoint left wingers and right wingers appoint right wingers. Nothing will change except for which group of left wingers picks left wing politicians and which group of right wingers pick left wing politicians. Left wingers at the state level support the same thing left wingers at the federal level support and right wingers at the state level support what right wingers at the federal level support.

    the senate was constructed to BLOCK the collective captivity of the people. to prevent socialism.
    Do you have any evidence of this? Where there any socialist countries around at the time the constitution was written? I remember in history class the revolutionary war being about overthrowing a inbred dictator who lived across the ocean not stopping socialism.
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    Re: Should Congress have term limits?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Again left wingers appoint left wingers and right wingers appoint right wingers. Nothing will change except for which group of left wingers picks left wing politicians and which group of right wingers pick left wing politicians. Left wingers at the state level support the same thing left wingers at the federal level support and right wingers at the state level support what right wingers at the federal level support.



    Do you have any evidence of this? Where there any socialist countries around at the time the constitution was written? I remember in history class the revolutionary war being about overthrowing a inbred dictator who lived across the ocean not stopping socialism.


    do you not believe that if the states had power back in the senate, they would stop all legislation which is created, which usurps their state powers, dedicates/mandates they do things.

    do you not believe if the states had power in the senate, presidents could not violate the law, use EO'S to create laws, without the senate made up of states coming down on that persons head with hearings and maybe impeachment.

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    Re: Should Congress have term limits?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    do you not believe that if the states had power back in the senate, they would stop all legislation which is created, which usurps their state powers, dedicates/mandates they do things.

    do you not believe if the states had power in the senate, presidents could not violate the law, use EO'S to create laws, without the senate made up of states coming down on that persons head with hearings and maybe impeachment.
    no, because history has shown that even when the states had that power at their disposal, there was still corruption in government. ever hear of Tammney hall, the ultimate representation of how corrupt party bosses ran the states like their own personal fiefdoms?
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    Re: Should Congress have term limits?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    no, because history has shown that even when the states had that power at their disposal, there was still corruption in government. ever hear of Tammney hall, the ultimate representation of how corrupt party bosses ran the states like their own personal fiefdoms?

    as it has been stated to you before...corruption ALWAYS EXIST.

    it is never going away, corruption on the state and local level closer to the people is less, and more apt to correct, compared to a nationalized government.....with many arms and legs.

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