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Thread: Open carry question [W:46]

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    Re: Open carry question [W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Excellent example...So put your friggin' rifle in a case when you sling it across your back... then maybe I will not consider it "brandishing".
    so you reject the dictionary, for your own description.....interesting.


    maybe that is why the left, does not believe in the actual writings of the constitution and instead listen to judges.

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    Re: Open carry question [W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    If a dude walks into a store with an assault rifle with no intention to commit a crime and the store owner shoots him is that justifiable homicide?
    How is he carrying it? Is it slung over his shoulder? Or does he have his finger on the trigger with the barrel leveled at folks? In my opinion, the reaction of the store owner is based less on what the dude's actual intent is and more about what the store owner thinks his intent is. I think it's reasonable to assume that a person carrying an assault weapon into a store in a threatening manner poses a threat, so, lacking evidence to the contrary, I would have no problem as a juror finding the owner innocent of any crime. I'd invoke jury nullification if necessary.
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    Re: Open carry question [W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Not going to get into a semantic pissing contest with you.
    I will be glad to substitute the term "military style rifle" .
    Everyone including Ronald Reagan and Gerald Ford Knows what I mean.
    not too defend either Reagan or Ford, but a the time, these "assault weapons" were not " in common use at the time".

    today, they are extremely common.

    another clause that guides regulations states these weapons must be "dangerous and unusual" ... IMO, the "dangerous " part is silly.... every firearm can be dangerous in hte wrong hands, sometimes even in the right hands... but "unusual"?... assault weapons are hardly unusual now.


    not that I agree with these guiding principles ( I'm more of a " if it's a firearm, you can keep and bear it" kinda guy, primarily because i'm not clueless about firearms) , but they just don't stand up to reality in regards to "assault" weapons anymore.
    assault weapons are in common use, and they are not unusual.

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    Re: Open carry question [W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by 99percenter View Post
    Now a days when you see a person with an assault rifle, you assume the worst.
    That is a ridiculous assertion.
    What you assume is that a person is exercising their right to carry.














    That is unless, as pointed out by others, it is being brandished or pointed at you or another in a threatening manner.
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    Re: Open carry question [W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    this is factually correct, the first assault rifle the STG 44, was the first to have select fire control......
    A man who knows what the Sturmgewehr is, is a man after my own heart.

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    That is a ridiculous assertion.
    What you assume is that a person is exercising their right to carry.












    That is unless, as pointed out by others, it is being brandished or pointed at you or another in a threatening manner.
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    Haymarket's "support" of the 2nd Amendment, a right he believes we never had.
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no. You cannot lose rights you do not have in the first place. There is no such thing as the right to have any weapon of your choice regardless of any other consideration. It simply does not exist.

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    Re: Open carry question [W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    not too defend either Reagan or Ford, but a the time, these "assault weapons" were not " in common use at the time".

    today, they are extremely common.

    another clause that guides regulations states these weapons must be "dangerous and unusual" ... IMO, the "dangerous " part is silly.... every firearm can be dangerous in hte wrong hands, sometimes even in the right hands... but "unusual"?... assault weapons are hardly unusual now.


    not that I agree with these guiding principles ( I'm more of a " if it's a firearm, you can keep and bear it" kinda guy, primarily because i'm not clueless about firearms) , but they just don't stand up to reality in regards to "assault" weapons anymore.
    assault weapons are in common use, and they are not unusual.
    assault weapon is a stupid term-in Kalfornia the most popular olympic target pistol was deemed an "assault weapon" because it was semi auto and the magazine was housed forward of the trigger housing



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    Re: Open carry question [W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    How is he carrying it? Is it slung over his shoulder? Or does he have his finger on the trigger with the barrel leveled at folks? In my opinion, the reaction of the store owner is based less on what the dude's actual intent is and more about what the store owner thinks his intent is. I think it's reasonable to assume that a person carrying an assault weapon into a store in a threatening manner poses a threat, so, lacking evidence to the contrary, I would have no problem as a juror finding the owner innocent of any crime. I'd invoke jury nullification if necessary.
    it would probably be a good shoot if the weapon is carried in a threatening manner....

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    Re: Open carry question [W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    assault rifle noun
    : a gun that can shoot many bullets quickly and that is designed for use by the military
    Full Definition of ASSAULT RIFLE

    : any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use
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    Must be the civilian PC definition.

    I tend to use the definition used by the military who used the first assault weapon in combat, the Wehrmacht during WW ll which was the Sturmgewehr-44(English translation, storm/assault rifle.)

    Any rifle chambered for a cartridge larger than a pistol round but smaller than a rifle round.
    Capable of full automatic fire.

    There was no mention of magazines or cosmetic features like pistol grips, flash suppressors or having a bayonet lug.

    When I served and when they took away my M-14 and issued me a M-16 it was never referred to as an assault rifle, it was referred to what it was, an infantry rifle or service rifle.

    There were only two known assault rifles at the time during the Vietnam War era, the Sturmgewehr-44 and the AK-47. Both were chambered for a shorten version of the 8mm Mauser cartridge and the Russian 7.62X54 R.
    The M-16 didn't meet the classification of an assault rifle because it was chambered for the 5.56 mm/ Remington .223 which was developed from the varmint rifle cartridge the Remington .222 that was developed to shoot groundhogs not Commies.

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    Re: Open carry question [W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    not too defend either Reagan or Ford, but a the time, these "assault weapons" were not " in common use at the time".

    today, they are extremely common.

    another clause that guides regulations states these weapons must be "dangerous and unusual" ... IMO, the "dangerous " part is silly.... every firearm can be dangerous in hte wrong hands, sometimes even in the right hands... but "unusual"?... assault weapons are hardly unusual now.


    not that I agree with these guiding principles ( I'm more of a " if it's a firearm, you can keep and bear it" kinda guy, primarily because i'm not clueless about firearms) , but they just don't stand up to reality in regards to "assault" weapons anymore.
    assault weapons are in common use, and they are not unusual.
    the DCM after WWII sold hundreds of thousands of semi auto MI carbines and MI Garand rifles to civilians through the government run Civilian Marksmanship program. By the time Ford was in office there was at least a million of each weapon in civilian hands.



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    Re: Open carry question [W:46]

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Excellent example...So put your friggin' rifle in a case when you sling it across your back... then maybe I will not consider it "brandishing".
    is there a good reason you reject the actual definition of "brandishing"?

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