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    Re: Can a Libertarian be Pro Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    l read these books many times and couldnt find any clue that proves god was libertarian capitalist
    Neither one is a safe assumption.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Can a Libertarian be Pro Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Neither one is a safe assumption.
    tell me how you believe jesus was libertarian
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    Re: Can a Libertarian be Pro Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Life is a basic right, just like freedom of speech, only more basic. Some people don't want to accept it but there are an infinite number of situations where rights butt up against each other.
    Yes it is. And the born are entitled to it. If you believe the unborn are as well, then when the state protects those rights, they will infringe on the born's right to life. There is no quarantee of surviving birth...or pregnancy or childbirth. The state does not have that power. That is why the individual should have the choice to assume those risks...not the state.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Can a Libertarian be Pro Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Not exactly. I will still tell you that abortion is wrong. I simply won't look to the law to enforce that belief. Being libertarian doesn't mean that you stop trying to correct that which you feel is wrong. It means that you use social pressure to do it not force of law. Protests, education programs, picketing, etc.
    You're confusing libertarianism with anarchism. Libertarianism firmly believes in using the force of law to protect rights.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Can a Libertarian be Pro Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Many laws fit that description.
    And they are right?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Can a Libertarian be Pro Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Let's not get childish, you know what you said. Valuing the right to life over the right to comfort is not anti-libertarian. Is it not anti-libertarian to force women to take care of their born children? How dare we demand that they give their children food, water, and medical care. It's like we're making mothers 2nd class citizens and violating their right to their pursuit of happiness.
    WHy are you shouting? And lying? I never said anything about 'comfort.' WHy are you putting words in my mouth and making assumptions?

    And when are women FORCED to take care of born children? They can give them up to the state. You are just running off the rails here. Please calm down and if you have something constructive, let me know.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Can a Libertarian be Pro Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    with our core beliefs, the same way that we justify everyone else's rights
    Fine, I never said they couldnt...I just gave my opinion and supported it legally, morally, and philosophically (according to RabidAlpaca who seems to have gone rabid).

    If you can support your beliefs the same, more power to you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Can a Libertarian be Pro Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    WHy are you shouting? And lying? I never said anything about 'comfort.' WHy are you putting words in my mouth and making assumptions.

    And when are women FORCED to take care of born children? They can give them up to the state. You are just running off the rails here. Please calm down and if you have something constructive, let me know.
    So let me get this straight. You straight up lie saying you never said libertarians can't keep consistent with their beliefs and be pro-life, and I give you a few quotes where you did, and instead of addressing this you freak out about text sizing and my use of the word comfort? (I've used the word comfort for the past 3 posts, and I never said you did.)

    You do realize that on the internet you can't determine one's emotional state, right? Increasing the size of text can sometimes be used to draw attention to a sentence. Whatever, let's just end this, you seem to be in misdirection dodge mode right now anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Fine, I never said they couldnt...I just gave my opinion and supported it legally, morally, and philosophically (according to RabidAlpaca who seems to have gone rabid).


    If you can support your beliefs the same, more power to you.
    Posting quotes where you lied is being rabid? You really should look up that word.
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    Re: Can a Libertarian be Pro Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    The unborn do not have legal rights (in this country), but that does not mean that they don't deserve rights or life. It's a philosophical question, not a legal one. Legality can change with the movement of a pen.
    Yes, it can, and I hope someday the legal definition of "person" will be more comprehensive.

    Meanwhile, stating repeatedly that those who are pro-life care more about the unborn than about the woman remains untrue but will continue to be repeated.

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    Re: Can a Libertarian be Pro Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Some see the ZEF as a individual who has rights and liberties. Others, like myself, may hold that view but recognize that our view is subjective
    Even if someone says an adult is an individual who has rights and liberties, that's still 100% subjective.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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