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    Re: Can a Libertarian be Pro Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    You don't have to agree with someone's point to like the point that they made or to like that they worded their argument well. Obvious bait post is obvious.
    If you say so. "Liking" a standard issue haymarket anti-libertarian boiler plate rant is a good indication to me that as a libertarian, nothing one of us could say to OP would be treated with any respect.

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    Re: Can a Libertarian be Pro Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Ron and Rand Paul, for example, are two notable Libertarian leaders who hold this position.
    As is usually the case, I agree wholeheartedly with Dr. Paul, or now I suppose I should say the Drs. Paul.

    I believe in human rights and I believe we the people create the state to protect human rights against aggression. I believe that every human is equal and should be equal in the eyes of the laws we create.

    If every human should be equal, and every human has a right to life, then abortion can not be anything but aggression by one party against another, the very thing we create a state to prohibit and punish in order to protect human rights.

    This is true even in the most minimal night watchman state; laws against homicide are the bedrock of human civilization.

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    Re: Can a Libertarian be Pro Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    You think abortion is wrong. I respect that. I never mentioned the law. The poll never asked if Libertarians who are anti-abortion should simply roll over and play dead. It asked if a Libertarian can be pro-life or not. My answer was yes, a Libertarian can be pro-life and a Libertarian can also be pro-choice.

    I also never suggested that someone who is anti-abortion shouldn't protest, picket, etc. I also never said that I would tell you that your position is wrong.
    But this is my point. Even as a libertarian, we can, and often do, tell others that their position is wrong. The key difference between libertarians and liberals/conservatives (as a rule, not as a totality) is that there are way fewer things that we believe need a law to enforce such a view.
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    Re: Can a Libertarian be Pro Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    since i am a constitutional libertarian, i tend to look at my right lean, as -- states powers.

    since JAMES MADISON states that.... the life's, liberty, and property of the people, are a state power and not a federal power.
    Most of the "leans right" I assumed meant they leaned right on social issues... But again without asking someone you just have to guess from their posts.

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    Re: Can a Libertarian be Pro Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    But this is my point. Even as a libertarian, we can, and often do, tell others that their position is wrong. The key difference between libertarians and liberals/conservatives (as a rule, not as a totality) is that there are way fewer things that we believe need a law to enforce such a view.
    You as a Libertarian tell others their position on abortion is wrong. I don't tell people their position on abortion is wrong. That isn't the same as giving points to possibly convince the other Libertarian that he may want to rethink his position. But that has nothing to do with laws, nor saying "You're wrong". I was talking about positions, in this case specifically, abortion.

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    Re: Can a Libertarian be Pro Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    Most of the "leans right" I assumed meant they leaned right on social issues... But again without asking someone you just have to guess from their posts.
    I "lean right" on most issues, and tilt strongly right on fiscal issues.

    I wouldn't assume someone leans right on social issues based on the disclosed lean in someone's panel.

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    Re: Can a Libertarian be Pro Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    But this is my point. Even as a libertarian, we can, and often do, tell others that their position is wrong. The key difference between libertarians and liberals/conservatives (as a rule, not as a totality) is that there are way fewer things that we believe need a law to enforce such a view.
    I can see your point, but if it comes to individual liberty (personal choice) though, Libertarians are walking the line when telling people how to live, much like the Dem/GOP does...

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    Re: Can a Libertarian be Pro Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I "lean right" on most issues, and tilt strongly right on fiscal issues.

    I wouldn't assume someone leans right on social issues based on the disclosed lean in someone's panel.
    So why didn't you pick Conservative for your profile?

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    Re: Can a Libertarian be Pro Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    So why didn't you pick Conservative for your profile?
    Because I'm not a conservative.

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    Re: Can a Libertarian be Pro Life?

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    I say no. A Libertarian believes in individual choice, even if it is a choice they don't agree with.
    A person who identifies Libertarian, Republican, Democrat or any other party you want to include can choose to support any side of any issue they wish. Regardless of a party's stance on an issue, it is OK to make your own decision on something. A person does not have to blindly follow something and let their choices be made for them.

    So to answer your question, yes. And for that matter a Liberal can be Pro life too. Or a conservative can be pro choice.
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