View Poll Results: Was the Iraq invasion planned or envisioned before 9/11?

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Thread: Pre-9/11 Plans for Iraq: Crazy Conspiracy or Fact?

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    Pre-9/11 Plans for Iraq: Crazy Conspiracy or Fact?

    Liberals, anti-war types, and even some conservatives are called 'crazy conspiracy theorists' when they refer to the pre-9/11 plans for an Iraq Invasion. What do you think? Are they right, or was the Iraq War a foregone conclusion when Bush chose his cabinet?

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    Re: Pre-9/11 Plans for Iraq: Crazy Conspiracy or Fact?

    We have plans for invading every country. That's normal.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Pre-9/11 Plans for Iraq: Crazy Conspiracy or Fact?

    Saying that when 9/11 happened Rumsfeld was quoted on seeking a Iraqi link and was looking for plans to attack Iraq..
    Plans For Iraq Attack Began On 9/11 - CBS News


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    Re: Pre-9/11 Plans for Iraq: Crazy Conspiracy or Fact?

    In his book, Against All Enemies, former national security adviser Richard Clark makes the case that the Bush administration did in fact have a plan for Iraq, and 9/11 provided a handy cover. It's a substantial case, as he was in the middle of things at the time. He said he argued forcefully for resources to be devoted to fighting terrorist organizations, and not be diverted to Iraq, but was unsuccessful. The Bush administration was apparently attentive to some leading neo-con thinkers at the time, including the Project for a New American Century. This doctrine allowed for preemptive war, and the disregard of the UN and international law.

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    Re: Pre-9/11 Plans for Iraq: Crazy Conspiracy or Fact?

    I think that some sort of conflict with Iraq was inevitable for any person taking the presidency. I think that it is more likely with Bush than with someone else, however; Clinton bombed the hell out of Iraq.

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    Re: Pre-9/11 Plans for Iraq: Crazy Conspiracy or Fact?

    One of the things George W. Bush campaigned on during the 2000 presidential campaign was his intention to drive Saddam Hussein out of Iraq, and establish a democratic government. It came as no great shock to me when, after 9/11, he saw the perfect opportunity to bootstrap his determination to eliminate Hussein after the American people supported his intervention with Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan.

    The problem was that (in my opinion), because Bush knew he was going to invade Iraq even before he sent the first wave of troops to Afghanistan, he purposely sent only half the troops that would normally be sent for a fast, heavy, immediate mission success because he was holding back more than half the available troops and firepower for his planned Iraq invasion.

    That led to the fiasco at Tora Bora, which should have been the end of both Al Qaeda and Taliban leadership, and the demolition of both groups. Instead, with the reduced American presence, Afghan troops sympathetic to the Taliban and Al Qaeda were used to shore up the perimeter. Unsurprisingly, these jihadist sympathizers allowed the enemy to breach the perimeter and disappear into Pakistan, all because our standard military doctrine of using "overwhelming force" was dismissed in order to hold back for an invasion that had not even been discussed with or approved by congress.

    We all know what happened then. Instead being in and out of Afghanistan within 6 months with an honest "mission accomplished", we ended up in a quagmire in both Afghanistan and Iraq lasting over a decade, which will continue to haunt the US and bleed our treasury dry for the foreseeable future, even as both countries are currently engaged in reestablishing Extremist Rule, and Iraq is... as so many of us predicted... breaking itself via civil war into three sectarian "countries."

    I firmly believe that the clandestine plans of the Bush administration to invade Iraq and overthrow Saddam Hussein at any cost has led to a humanitarian and financial disaster that will haunt the USA for decades and decades to come.

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    Re: Pre-9/11 Plans for Iraq: Crazy Conspiracy or Fact?

    Bush Cheney and Rumsfeld had their war all planned out waiting for a reason to invade.

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    Re: Pre-9/11 Plans for Iraq: Crazy Conspiracy or Fact?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    We have plans for invading every country. That's normal.
    Sure, but there's a clear distinction between "having plans that can be pulled off the shelf" & "pulling that plan off the shelf and start plotting."

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    Re: Pre-9/11 Plans for Iraq: Crazy Conspiracy or Fact?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    Sure, but there's a clear distinction between "having plans that can be pulled off the shelf" & "pulling that plan off the shelf and start plotting."
    Not only that, but using America's reaction to 9/11 as the catalyst...

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    Re: Pre-9/11 Plans for Iraq: Crazy Conspiracy or Fact?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Liberals, anti-war types, and even some conservatives are called 'crazy conspiracy theorists' when they refer to the pre-9/11 plans for an Iraq Invasion. What do you think? Are they right, or was the Iraq War a foregone conclusion when Bush chose his cabinet?

    This is a letter to Clinton from 1998:

    PNAC letters sent to President Bill Clinton
    It was certainly a contingency plan. History 101.

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