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    Re: Should this sniper helping nevada cattle rancher be arrested

    Snipers predate the use of scopes by nearly a century.

    That rifle isn't anyone's idea of a modern sniper rifle, but at that range even a mediocre shooter could have done plenty of damage.

    AFAIK, it's against the law to aim a firearm at federal officers. It doesn't seem especially smart either. If a Fed chopper had spotted that guy, they might have lit up the whole overpass.

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    Re: Should this sniper helping nevada cattle rancher be arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    With 20/20 hind sight, the police should have controlled both bridges by positioning people on one end of the bridge (though they did not need to block traffic). This would have deprived the high ground from the free loader's armed supporters and would have discouraged that idiot from either making an impromptu "sniper" effort or very dumb camera pose. Likewise, if the free loader supporters on the bridge started shooting, they could have been subject to enfilade fire.


    Simo Haya the Finnish super sniper did not use optical sights. While his kills have been exaggerated, he was extremely skilled and extremely successful.

    My father uses the term "clip" to refer to any magazine for any weapon, even pistols. It might be a generational / military slang issue. He has two tours of infantry combat in Vietnam and I believe the term "clip" was common back then.

    Point well taken, but Bundy, his supporter on the bridge and the SWAT raid are totally seperate issues.
    Not since WWII, yea its common to call it that. But the factual Nazi's get a kick out of calling people out on it.
    The last real "clip" was the EN BLOC clip in the Garand. Since all US military semi auto rifles have used mags.

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    Re: Should this sniper helping nevada cattle rancher be arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Not since WWII, yea its common to call it that. But the factual Nazi's get a kick out of calling people out on it.
    The last real "clip" was the EN BLOC clip in the Garand. Since all US military semi auto rifles have used mags.
    Well if we are going to be factual nazis the military still uses clips. Clips are used to charge magazines quickly, usually 10 rounds at a time. (30 ought and 7.62 clips hold 5 rounds.) We carried 2 clips to a pocket in cloth bandoleers with the charger safety pinned to the strap. My day was 5 pocket so 100 rounds were carried carried IIRC.

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    Re: Should this sniper helping nevada cattle rancher be arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Well if we are going to be factual nazis the military still uses clips. Clips are used to charge magazines quickly, usually 10 rounds at a time. (30 ought and 7.62 clips hold 5 rounds.) We carried 2 clips to a pocket in cloth bandoleers with the charger safety pinned to the strap. My day was 5 pocket so 100 rounds were carried carried IIRC.
    Those are stripper clips, they don't feed the weapon.

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    Re: Should this sniper helping nevada cattle rancher be arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by WillyPete View Post
    AFAIK, it's against the law to aim a firearm at federal officers. It doesn't seem especially smart either. If a Fed chopper had spotted that guy, they might have lit up the whole overpass.
    I agree. As a side note, his finger is almost exaggeratedly not on the trigger. This would seem to support the "camera pose" theory regarding his intent.

    At the same time, a spotter may well of not noticed where his finger was, saw him take up a firing position, sight the rifle (the fact that he may or may not have the skills to be accurate at that range with that weapon and with those sights is not really material), and then shot him (or tried to).

    Things then would have gone down hill fast... .

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Not since WWII, yea its common to call it that. But the factual Nazi's get a kick out of calling people out on it.
    The last real "clip" was the EN BLOC clip in the Garand. Since all US military semi auto rifles have used mags.
    What about the rifle- I dont know the name of it, which replaced the Garand and was used until the M-16 was accepted by all services? Did that one use clips or magazines?
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    Re: Should this sniper helping nevada cattle rancher be arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Military history is full of sniper stories, none with iron sights.
    Timothy Murphy (sniper) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "Seven inch target at 250 yards"
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
    The Psychology of Persuasion

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    Re: Should this sniper helping nevada cattle rancher be arrested

    If he is doing what it appears he's doing, than yes he should be arrested. Pointing a weapon, let alone a loaded weapon, is a criminal act, and he should not be exempted because he is the champion of the Tea Party movement. I don't agree with the third option, however. That would clearly be a violation of his 8th Amendment rights.

    As far as Cliven Bundy, his crimes were clearly evident: he had his cattle on federal property without permission. A minor crime, but it still is a crime. The fact that he made a publicity stunt out of the whole affair is pathetic.

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    Re: Should this sniper helping nevada cattle rancher be arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Buck's definitions all included the actual firing of a gun. Since he didn't fire anything, he's not a sniper.

    Someone else brought that up abou the lack of a scope. He would have had a great shot into the air, and maybe killed a bird at best.
    Not to mention that the picture is misleading and surrounding elevation pictures suggests more that he would have been aiming way over their heads.

    The two overpasses are of similar height - he's "aiming" just below the father overpass.
    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    If certain gun guys are insulted by that? Good, they should be ashamed: the rest of US are sick and tired of having our intelligence insulted[/i].



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    Re: Should this sniper helping nevada cattle rancher be arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    You forgot to mention the "deadly detachable CLIP" Hahahaha
    The guy two spots to my right at the last shoot was using a Garand. A nice one too. His father is a decorated war hero (2 purple hearts, many others) and was there to teach his son. At one point the son opened an ammo box of loaded "magazines" as he called them. We all had a good laugh because in this case they actually were "clips".

    I was using a highly modified Mosin Nagant that is scoped, mag fed and has a muzzle brake that looks like it ought to be on a tank barrel. I was wearing electronic ear muffs which amplify when there is nothing loud enough to make them dampen. When I fired my first round it rearranged his hat and I heard him say " Holy ****!". He had a long weekend but eventual acclimated and did quite well.

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    Re: Should this sniper helping nevada cattle rancher be arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Well if we are going to be factual nazis the military still uses clips. Clips are used to charge magazines quickly, usually 10 rounds at a time. (30 ought and 7.62 clips hold 5 rounds.) We carried 2 clips to a pocket in cloth bandoleers with the charger safety pinned to the strap. My day was 5 pocket so 100 rounds were carried carried IIRC.
    Yup. Those are stripper clips.

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