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    Re: Should this sniper helping nevada cattle rancher be arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    ....He is a hell of a lot farther than 250 yards away. I am a distance shooter....
    It is 100 yards between the bridges.

    Here is a better pic of his position:

    https://www.google.com/maps/@36.7642...pj8zznAKoA!2e0







    His feet are laying on the Eastbound Interstate 15 fast lane there.
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    There were, by most estimates, 500 Nazis in Charlottesville. One of them went homicidal. Not all Nazis are violent extremists. You are trying to rationalize your hatred and it's simply not rational.
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    as I noted, its better that 10 nutjobs get guns than one good person be wrongly disarmed.

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    Re: Should this sniper helping nevada cattle rancher be arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by Sababa View Post
    I love watching the sheep of the right wing noise machine justifying criminal behavior. I think this guy is criminally stupid as well as violating the law. Imagine if he was a man with a long beard and a kafiya and pointing the gun at Time Square.
    Yeah, because a guy with a beard looking at you from a long distance away is soooo much more threatening. As for criminal behavior, there were a lot of people on the other side looking at people over a barrel too. Having a badge does not justify criminal behavior. We are currently putting pressure on a local police department that served a no knock warrant on a low level drug dealer with a SWAT team in the middle of the night. Problem is he wasn't home and the flashbang grenade they tossed in to the house ended up in a toddler's crib and nearly killed him. THAT is criminal use of deadly force, not laying on a bridge effectly out of range looking down the barrel of a light rifle. I typically have my favorite 22 on my shoulder when I'm out walking in the woods, not that I'm necessarily shooting at anything but I do use the scope to get a closer look at things. It's a real shame that so many people have been scared in to cowering behind appointed officials to protect them from what they are told to be afraid of and equate a badge with honor and good intentions.

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    Re: Should this sniper helping nevada cattle rancher be arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    It was to imply that snipers can and do use the AR-15 with and without a scope.
    Snipers do use the AR-15, there are many different models, some have a range of 500 yards and more, but you can Google it and do your own research, never take anything someone types on the internets.
    Really?

    A lot of people use AR and similar looking rifles but can you show me one confirmable reference when a real sniper used an AR without a scope to use for a sniping mission?


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    Re: Should this sniper helping nevada cattle rancher be arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    Really?

    A lot of people use AR and similar looking rifles but can you show me one confirmable reference when a real sniper used an AR without a scope to use for a sniping mission?


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    Can you show anyone where it has not?

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    Re: Should this sniper helping nevada cattle rancher be arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    Really?

    A lot of people use AR and similar looking rifles but can you show me one confirmable reference when a real sniper used an AR without a scope to use for a sniping mission?

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    "A firearms identification expert with the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms holds the Bushmaster rifle used in the Beltway Sniper shooting"
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    There were, by most estimates, 500 Nazis in Charlottesville. One of them went homicidal. Not all Nazis are violent extremists. You are trying to rationalize your hatred and it's simply not rational.
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    as I noted, its better that 10 nutjobs get guns than one good person be wrongly disarmed.

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    Re: Should this sniper helping nevada cattle rancher be arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by plutonium View Post
    this guy was pointing a sniper rifle at federal police officers duriing nevada cattle standoff...i take it he was possible pointing at the officer in command if he had any training.... should he be thrown under the jail.....ps black people dont get to do this....lol Attachment 67168157 Attachment 67168158
    I like that one of the poll answers suggests that the govt abuse him. In a thread complaining about the threat posed by armed citizens. Irony?

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    Re: Should this sniper helping nevada cattle rancher be arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by Utility Man View Post

    "A firearms identification expert with the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms holds the Bushmaster rifle used in the Beltway Sniper shooting"
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    There's one.

    I would point out that that weapon was not used with only iron sights.

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    Last edited by TOJ; 06-17-14 at 10:02 AM.

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    Re: Should this sniper helping nevada cattle rancher be arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    The guy never pulled the trigger. All he was doing was looking at a crowd thru a crack in the concrete.

    Ok, now to the use of an AR15 as a sniper rifle. First off, the standard front iron sight is 8MOA wide. The typical "man sized target" is 20 inches wide. That means at 250 yards the blade on the end of the barrel appears as wide as a person. He is a hell of a lot farther than 250 yards away. I am a distance shooter. I attended a shoot last month where some extremely talented people were able to put shots on target with iron sights at that distance, but it is very rare. Nobody is going to show up intending to shoot at a target that far out that shoots back without a scope, and certainly not with that small a round. Judging by the size of the magazine that is likely a .223, terminal ballistics show that out past about 450 yards that round has lost too much energy to be effectively lethal. At 500 yards he would have to compensating for about 8 feet of bullet drop from point of aim, and at that distance a mild puff of wind is going to push him off target. It's a photo op, nothing more. Just because the rifle is black and has rails doesn't make it a laser guided death machine.
    You forgot to mention the "deadly detachable CLIP" Hahahaha

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    Re: Should this sniper helping nevada cattle rancher be arrested

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Can you show anyone where it has not?
    Military history is full of sniper stories, none with iron sights.

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    Re: Should this sniper helping nevada cattle rancher be arrested

    With 20/20 hind sight, the police should have controlled both bridges by positioning people on one end of the bridge (though they did not need to block traffic). This would have deprived the high ground from the free loader's armed supporters and would have discouraged that idiot from either making an impromptu "sniper" effort or very dumb camera pose. Likewise, if the free loader supporters on the bridge started shooting, they could have been subject to enfilade fire.

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Military history is full of sniper stories, none with iron sights.
    Simo Haya the Finnish super sniper did not use optical sights. While his kills have been exaggerated, he was extremely skilled and extremely successful.
    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    You forgot to mention the "deadly detachable CLIP" Hahahaha
    My father uses the term "clip" to refer to any magazine for any weapon, even pistols. It might be a generational / military slang issue. He has two tours of infantry combat in Vietnam and I believe the term "clip" was common back then.
    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    As for criminal behavior, there were a lot of people on the other side looking at people over a barrel too. Having a badge does not justify criminal behavior. We are currently putting pressure on a local police department that served a no knock warrant on a low level drug dealer with a SWAT team in the middle of the night....
    Point well taken, but Bundy, his supporter on the bridge and the SWAT raid are totally seperate issues.
    Last edited by Cryptic; 06-17-14 at 10:13 AM.

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