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Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton[W:336]

Who would you rather have as president?

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SocialDemocrat said:
I support Warren for President. Other than Bernie Sanders, I cannot think of a better candidate who has a chance of getting more than .5% of the vote. Glass-Steagall is a very important issue for me, and I can either vote for the person who supports reinstating it, or the wife of the president who repealed it. Clinton's position on Libya is also disheartening, and her hawkish foreign policy outlined in her novel is clearly an appeal to the military industrial complex.
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So it's because she's more of a socialist then.
 
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Ockham said:
So it's because she's more of a socialist then.
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I think that is accurate. Hillary is mainly an opportunistic big government elitist. Warren is a populist power hungry asshole. NOt much difference but there is some.
 
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SocialDemocrat said:
Really?
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Progressives still want to stay in the closet with that one eh?

SocialDemocrat said:
Warren called for the abolition of private property and the overthrow the bourgeoisie in favor of proletarian internationalism? I must've missed that. :roll:
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Is that what socialists call for or is that what communists call for? Do you know which is which?
 
Amadeus said:
Who would you rather have as president?
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Lol !

I thought this thread was about who was a bigger liar.

President ?

Uhm no. They're both horrible choices.
 
Fenton said:
Lol !

I thought this thread was about who was a bigger liar.
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Well Hillary is the bigger liar simply because of the volume of material over a 40 year period and time she's been in the public eye.
 
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Ockham said:
Progressives still want to stay in the closet with that one eh?
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I recognize I have some socialist leanings, but I hardly think the fact that I don't think banks should be investing the average person's money and speculating with it, or that I don't think we should go to war with Libya, make me a socialist.

Ockham said:
Is that what socialists call for or is that what communists call for? Do you know which is which?
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Yes, I recognize the distinctions between socialism and communism, and the many forms of each. Look at the platforms of some democratic socialist parties, like The Left in Germany, and you'll see them calling for the abolition of private property rights.
 
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SocialDemocrat said:
I recognize I have some socialist leanings, but I hardly think the fact that I don't think banks should be investing the average person's money and speculating with it, or that I don't think we should go to war with Libya, make me a socialist.
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You misunderstand. I'm not commenting on your socialist leanings, just Warrens.
 
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Ockham said:
You misunderstand. I'm not commenting on your socialist leanings, just Warrens.
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What exactly do you consider about Warren to be socialistic in nature? I recognize she's not a die-hard-capitalist, but a lot of what Warren calls for is regulations, which socialists would consider inadequate and demand nationalization instead.
 
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SocialDemocrat said:
What exactly do you consider about Warren to be socialistic in nature? I recognize she's not a die-hard-capitalist, but a lot of what Warren calls for is regulations, which socialists would consider inadequate and demand nationalization instead.
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Much of this. Elizabeth Warren on the Issues

What really told me I wouldn't like her policies was the "You didn't build it" message. That's quickly becoming a classic.
 
Re: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton

Ockham said:
Much of this. Elizabeth Warren on the Issues

What really told me I wouldn't like her policies was the "You didn't build it" message. That's quickly becoming a classic.
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I don't find that to be socialistic at all. "Hard-core liberal" is her ideological description, and as ideologies, liberalism and socialism are incompatible.

On the individual issues she states progressive, sometimes moderate viewpoints.

Abortion: Fully pro-choice, pro-funding, pro-birth control. This isn't a socialist position. One can support legal abortion with or without being a socialist.

Women's issues: Supporting equal pay for equal work by gender, funding for domestic violence victims, etc. These are mainstream positions.

LGBT Rights: This has no relevance to one's support or opposition to socialism.

Sex Ed: Same as LGBT rights.

Healthcare: She supports the ACA. Not only is this not a socialist position, it's an anti-socialist position. Bailing out the health insurance industry, as opposed to guaranteeing healthcare as a right, is not anything someone left of center should support.

Social Security: Opposing privatization of social security and the chained CPI is a mainstream position.

Education: "Focus on public schools." Interpret this as you wish, but it isn't proof that she is a socialist.

Animal Rights: I'm not sure why upgrading infrastructure is listed under this, but improvements to infrastructure is a mainstream position as well. Environmentalism (protecting our ecosystem) does not automatically mean socialism.

Gun control: She supports it, while famous socialist Eugene Debs opposed any restrictions on gun ownership for the common man. This is not a socialist position.

Taxes: She supports increases to the tax rate for the wealthy. This depends entirely on the rate she suggests, but I'm fairly confident she isn't arguing for 90% or higher.

Immigration: Not relevant to socialism.

Free trade: Protect rights of workers and the environment. This is fairly ambiguous, but doesn't sound like total socialism.

Military: Supports reduced spending.

Afghanistan: Get out.

Renewable Energy: Supportive.

Marijuana: Opposes legalization.

Supports consumer protection regulations.

None of this screams socialism to me.

And what exactly in this says "you didn't build it."?
 
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tres borrachos said:
Ah, I see. Out of all of the links, you only focused on the one that was a testimony from a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, which is of course a Progressive group that promotes Progressive ideas and candidates. Miller, who testified, is a politician who was instrumental in the creation of the CFPB and who shares Warren's views that homeowners who made stupid decisions did so because they were victims of the banks. Miller, as we all know, is not impartial.

Keep in mind my post when I gave you those links:

I'll ask again. Do you know what the CFPB is? Do you know what Dodd-Frank is, and how it interacts with the CFPB which is the agency that will enforce DF?

Okay, here's a link for you since you don't want to do research yourself. I posted a great link from CBS News a few pages back. Here are some more for you.



Those links were to help you understand what the CFPB is, and how Dodd-Frank relies on the CFPB to enforce the law. I'm not a partisan so I provide links from all points of view, from experts to bankers to both leans. You only honed in on the one from the ultra, ultra left lean, the man who was part of the creation of the CFPB.

Got it.
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That was the only link that gave specifics. The ones from the banking industry used nothing but scare tactics....no facts and just predictions. GIGO
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
That was the only link that gave specifics. The ones from the banking industry used nothing but scare tactics....no facts and just predictions. GIGO
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Specifics? Now that's funny.

Like this specific:

Community banks were generally not guilty of some of the worst abuses of the last decade, and community banks remain more constrained by reputational concerns than are the biggest banks. But community bankers are not incapable of bad conduct. In the movie “It’s a Wonderful Life,” George Bailey was a community banker, but so was Mr. Potter.



Two things about that "specific". One, it backs up what I've been saying which is that the community banks were generally not guilty of the abuses. Yet Warren and the others want them to have to pay. Two, he references a movie from the 1940s as proof of...what exactly?

Miller goes on to say absolutely nothing in his testimony that refutes what I've been saying. He was part of the creation of the CFPB and if you're inclined to take only the word of a non-banker who created the agency in question, then you are only looking for partisanship, and not objectivity.

The "scare tactics" you mention come from people who actually understand community banking, and have given - contrary to what you said - specifics on their concerns, which I have been posting about all along.

When you want to be serious and non-partisan, please let me know. This was obviously a waste of my time.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Specifics? Now that's funny.

Like this specific:

Community banks were generally not guilty of some of the worst abuses of the last decade, and community banks remain more constrained by reputational concerns than are the biggest banks. But community bankers are not incapable of bad conduct. In the movie “It’s a Wonderful Life,” George Bailey was a community banker, but so was Mr. Potter.



Two things about that "specific". One, it backs up what I've been saying which is that the community banks were generally not guilty of the abuses. Yet Warren and the others want them to have to pay. Two, he references a movie from the 1940s as proof of...what exactly?

Miller goes on to say absolutely nothing in his testimony that refutes what I've been saying. He was part of the creation of the CFPB and if you're inclined to take only the word of a non-banker who created the agency in question, then you are only looking for partisanship, and not objectivity.

The "scare tactics" you mention come from people who actually understand community banking, and have given - contrary to what you said - specifics on their concerns, which I have been posting about all along.

When you want to be serious and non-partisan, please let me know. This was obviously a waste of my time.
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in what ways is Elizabeth Warren wanting community banks to 'pay'?
 
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Is Warren a populist? Well, she does support and champion ideas that are popular and constructive, without fear-mongering, and that contrast with the interests of the elite. So yes, technically, she's a populist.
 
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A third option is needed in the poll: Neither or None of the candidates listed.
 
Re: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton

tres borrachos said:
The answer you seek is in all my posts in this thread.
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are you wanting us to believe that Elizabeth Warren proposes treating community banks as she would the too-big-to-fail banks? or do you simply have nothing more to offer?
 
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justabubba said:
are you wanting us to believe that Elizabeth Warren proposes treating community banks as she would the too-big-to-fail banks? or do you simply have nothing more to offer?
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The answer you seek is in all my posts in this thread, same as my last post. Yes she is, please read. I am not going back through all my posts in this thread and copying them for you.

Thank you.
 
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Perotista said:
A third option is needed in the poll: Neither or None of the candidates listed.
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As usual, this OP doesn't know how to set up an unbiased poll.
 
Re: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton

ChrisL said:
As usual, this OP doesn't know how to set up an unbiased poll.
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Not to play in your pigsh*t, but there is a perfectly viable third option. Don't participate.
 
Re: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton

tres borrachos said:
The answer you seek is in all my posts in this thread, same as my last post. Yes she is, please read. I am not going back through all my posts in this thread and copying them for you.

Thank you.
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no she is not
thank you for nothing. please read more
 
Re: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton

Amadeus said:
Not to play in your pigsh*t, but there is a perfectly viable third option. Don't participate.
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Your polls are what is pig****. All partisan biased, all of them.
 
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