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Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton[W:336]

Who would you rather have as president?

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Re: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton

dad2three2001 said:
Got it, you aren't honest and can't critically think

Keep trying
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Sure I'm honest. I pointed out how silly your post was. You said that there was nothing wrong with the CRA because of Janet Yellen (not Yellin) saying it. You went on to say that she as a CEO should have been bashing the government, because all CEOs bash the government, for making bad loans, since she was the CEO of a bank. I had to bring you up to speed on what the Federal Reserve Bank of San Fran is, and help you to understand that she wouldn't bash the government because she was the government, and she also was the CEO of a "bank" that didn't make loans. It's part of the Federal Reserve, and Obama promoted her from CEO of San Fran to CEO of the entire Fed.

I can't get more honest than that, and critical thinking involves knowing the facts about people you use to try to make an argument so you don't end up looking really silly.
 
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dad2three2001 said:
Yes, they DO get their talking points from AEI, Pinto, Wallison, Mercatus, etc... Try again
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Wow, I can't even post to you anymore. You've made more false statements than any poster I think I've ever seen on here.

Happy Father's Day!
 
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ernst barkmann said:
yes the government caused a lot of problems.....
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Yeah, WORLD WIDE dozens of nations, Philippines, Japan, China, UK, Ireland, Spain, etc

Jun 16, 2005

The worldwide rise in house prices is the biggest bubble in history. Prepare for the economic pain when it pops

According to estimates by The Economist, the total value of residential property in developed economies rose by more than $30 trillion over the past five years, to over $70 trillion, an increase equivalent to 100% of those countries' combined GDPs.

The global housing boom: In come the waves | The Economist


YES, THAT WAS CLINTON'S, CRA AND BARNEY'S FAULT *shaking head*


BUSH REGULATOR FAILURE IN THE US, AS BUSH WAS HEAD CHEERLEADER FOR THE BANKSTERS :(
 
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tres borrachos said:
Wow, I can't even post to you anymore. You've made more false statements than any poster I think I've ever seen on here.

Happy Father's Day!
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Got it, Like your false premises on Clinton/Cisnero's, after being beaten down with FACTS and truth, you run away. GOOD
 
Re: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton

dad2three2001 said:
Yeah, WORLD WIDE dozens of nations, Philippines, Japan, China, UK, Ireland, Spain, etc

Jun 16, 2005

The worldwide rise in house prices is the biggest bubble in history. Prepare for the economic pain when it pops

According to estimates by The Economist, the total value of residential property in developed economies rose by more than $30 trillion over the past five years, to over $70 trillion, an increase equivalent to 100% of those countries' combined GDPs.

The global housing boom: In come the waves | The Economist


YES, THAT WAS CLINTON'S, CRA AND BARNEY'S FAULT *shaking head*


BUSH REGULATOR FAILURE IN THE US, AS BUSH WAS HEAD CHEERLEADER FOR THE BANKSTERS :(
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your see, here is what you dont get....i said NOTHING ABOUT ANY PARTY...i said government.........but since you only think in terms of party, that is why you are lost, and wrong when you post.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Sure I'm honest. I pointed out how silly your post was. You said that there was nothing wrong with the CRA because of Janet Yellen (not Yellin) saying it. You went on to say that she as a CEO should have been bashing the government, because all CEOs bash the government, for making bad loans, since she was the CEO of a bank. I had to bring you up to speed on what the Federal Reserve Bank of San Fran is, and help you to understand that she wouldn't bash the government because she was the government, and she also was the CEO of a "bank" that didn't make loans. It's part of the Federal Reserve, and Obama promoted her from CEO of San Fran to CEO of the entire Fed.

I can't get more honest than that, and critical thinking involves knowing the facts about people you use to try to make an argument so you don't end up looking really silly.
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Try to use REASON AND LOGIC. Note the link thing?

Everything you bring up (like this nonsense) is just garbage.

Because you can't be honest, I can't help you...
 
Re: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton

ernst barkmann said:
your see, here is what you dont get....i said NOTHING ABOUT ANY PARTY...i said government.........but since you only think in terms of party, that is why you are lost, and wrong when you post.
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Sorry, you jumped in. Yes, US Gov't created a WORLD WIDE CREDIT BUBBLE AND BUST RIGHT? In dozens of nations? lol
 
Re: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton

ernst barkmann said:
while this is correct, banks who made these loans were assured by the federal government that if the loans, "went bad"....the federal government would make good on them.

so banks made and created, many types of loans to people, who could not afford them,....because of government assurance........government intervention.


Democrats were WARNED of Financial crisis and did NOTHING - YouTube

Barney Frank in 2005: What Housing Bubble? - YouTube
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SERIOUSLY? SERIOUSLY? You do know what a Gov't guarantee is right? GSE's (F/F) mainly (FHA, VA,Etc to a MUCH lesser degree)

NOW WHY WOULD THE BANKS BE IN TROUBLE IF THESE LOANS WERE 'ASSURED' BY GOV'T? LOL

1. Private markets caused the shady mortgage boom: The first thing to point out is that the both the subprime mortgage boom and the subsequent crash are very much concentrated in the private market, especially the private label securitization channel (PLS) market. The Government-Sponsored Entities (GSEs, or Fannie and Freddie) were not behind them. The fly-by-night lending boom, slicing and dicing mortgage bonds, derivatives and CDOs, and all the other shadiness of the mortgage market in the 2000s were Wall Street creations, and they drove all those risky mortgages.

Here’s some data to back that up: “More than 84 percent of the subprime mortgages in 2006 were issued by private lending institutions… Private firms made nearly 83 percent of the subprime loans to low- and moderate-income borrowers that year.”

Hey Mayor Bloomberg! No, the GSEs Did Not Cause the Financial Meltdown (but thats just according to the data) | The Big Picture



Between 2004 and 2006, when subprime lending was exploding, Fannie and Freddie went from holding a high of 48 percent of the subprime loans that were sold into the secondary market to holding about 24 percent, according to data from Inside Mortgage Finance, a specialty publication. One reason is that Fannie and Freddie were subject to tougher standards than many of the unregulated players in the private sector who weakened lending standards, most of whom have gone bankrupt or are now in deep trouble.

During those same explosive three years, private investment banks — not Fannie and Freddie — dominated the mortgage loans that were packaged and sold into the secondary mortgage market. In 2005 and 2006, the private sector securitized almost two thirds of all U.S. mortgages, supplanting Fannie and Freddie, according to a number of specialty publications that track this data.

Private sector loans, not Fannie or Freddie, triggered crisis | Economics | McClatchy DC


THAT MEANS MOST LOANS DIDN'T HAVE GOV'T BACKING. THINK

Why do you think Banksters settled with F/F on the bad loans Bush required them to buy ($440 billion in MBS's 2004-208, to meet his 'goals')? Hint, it was about $30 billion in settlements paid to F/F. THEY DIDN'T UNDERWRITE (GUARANTEE) THE LOANS IN BUSH'S BUBBLE!


BUT THANKS FOR POINTING OUT YOU DID BLAME THE DEMS/BARNEY :)
 
Re: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton

ernst barkmann said:
your see, here is what you dont get....i said NOTHING ABOUT ANY PARTY...i said government.........but since you only think in terms of party, that is why you are lost, and wrong when you post.
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THIS is nothing about party in CONserevative world

ernst barkmann Post 317

"Democrats were WARNED of Financial crisis and did NOTHING"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPSDnGMzIdo


"Barney Frank in 2005: What Housing Bubble?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW5qKYfqALE

lol
 
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dad2three2001 said:
Sorry, you jumped in. Yes, US Gov't created a WORLD WIDE CREDIT BUBBLE AND BUST RIGHT? In dozens of nations? lol
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you seem to think for some reason, you can produce what you will and call it ......fact!

yet if others refute your statements, you counter by calling them lies myths, and say they are dishonest, and are not as smart as you are.


your not going to get far, acting like that around here.
 
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Moderator's Warning:
The topic is: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton (for president)

Every post from this point forward should address that or be thread banned. DO NOT quote and bring forward posts about Barney Frank or CRA's or any of the other myriad topics that have zero reference to either lady.

Take all that to another thread.
 
Re: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton

ernst barkmann said:
you seem to think for some reason, you can produce what you will and call it ......fact!

yet if others refute your statements, you counter by calling them lies myths, and say they are dishonest, and are not as smart as you are.


your not going to get far, acting like that around here.
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Weird YOU jump in and push the blame to Dems and Barney, I point tout NO it was a WORLD WIDE CREDIT CRISIS NOT related to Dems/Barney and you come back that YOU dodn't say on a PREVIOUS post it was Dems/Barney? lol

NOW you want to just 'say' something isn't fact, when I link to CREDIBLE sources where you point to out of context vids and say I wont get far? lol

No, I counter with FACT based sources and materials, something CONservatives don't 'believe in', instead deciding to live in their little bubble of Faux and Rushbo, based almost entirely on ideology over facts, history or math!
 
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dad2three2001 said:
Weird YOU jump in and push the blame to Dems and Barney, I point tout NO it was a WORLD WIDE CREDIT CRISIS NOT related to Dems/Barney and you come back that YOU dodn't say on a PREVIOUS post it was Dems/Barney? lol

NOW you want to just 'say' something isn't fact, when I link to CREDIBLE sources where you point to out of context vids and say I wont get far? lol

No, I counter with FACT based sources and materials, something CONservatives don't 'believe in', instead deciding to live in their little bubble of Faux and Rushbo, based almost entirely on ideology over facts, history or math!
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did i not just blame republicans too?
 
Re: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton

ernst barkmann said:
Barney Frank was part of government....which is the problem.

republicans and democrats are both ruining the nation of ours.
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WORLD WIDE CREDIT BUBBLE AND BUST Sorry

Jun 16, 2005

The worldwide rise in house prices is the biggest bubble in history. Prepare for the economic pain when it pops

The global housing boom: In come the waves | The Economist


Regulators and policymakers enabled this process at virtually every turn. Part of the reason they failed to understand the housing bubble was willful ignorance: they bought into the argument that the market would equilibrate itself. In particular, financial actors and regulatory officials both believed that secondary and tertiary markets could effectively control risk through pricing.


http://www.tobinproject.org/sites/tobinproject.org/files/assets/Fligstein_Catalyst of Disaster_0.pdf


IT'S CALLED FACTS. TRY IT
 
Re: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton

dad2three2001 said:
world wide credit bubble and bust sorry

jun 16, 2005

the worldwide rise in house prices is the biggest bubble in history. Prepare for the economic pain when it pops

the global housing boom: In come the waves | the economist


regulators and policymakers enabled this process at virtually every turn. Part of the reason they failed to understand the housing bubble was willful ignorance: They bought into the argument that the market would equilibrate itself. In particular, financial actors and regulatory officials both believed that secondary and tertiary markets could effectively control risk through pricing.


http://www.tobinproject.org/sites/tobinproject.org/files/assets/fligstein_catalyst of disaster_0.pdf


it's called facts. Try it
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oh, facts ?

I remember when i produced my facts to you in other thread ,you denounced them as lies..myths....so how is someone to refute you, when you reject, anything else...... ShAke your head, and call people names, and say they are dishonest...

Now can you tell me why i should play with you now???:2razz:
 
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ernst barkmann said:
did i not just blame republicans too?
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You mean AFTER your FIRST post where you ONLY blamed Barney/Dems, or the third one where you were upset because on the second post you didn't blame EITHER party, and I pointed out you blamed Barney/Dems? Weird the 'logic' you guys 'use'....


The ONLY blame in the WORLD WIDE bubble was Bush's failure to regulate in the US housing bubble AS he had warnings. Instead he was the Banksters head cheerleader. Not much blame on the GOP and zero on the Dems for Bush's flawed regulatory oversight. Yes, Greenspan could've helped.

BUT THIS WAS A 'MARKET' CREATED BY BANKSTERS!
 
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dad2three2001 said:
You mean AFTER your FIRST post where you ONLY blamed Barney/Dems, or the third one where you were upset because on the second post you didn't blame EITHER party, and I pointed out you blamed Barney/Dems? Weird the 'logic' you guys 'use'....


The ONLY blame in the WORLD WIDE bubble was Bush's failure to regulate in the US housing bubble AS he had warnings. Instead he was the Banksters head cheerleader. Not much blame on the GOP and zero on the Dems for Bush's flawed regulatory oversight. Yes, Greenspan could've helped.

BUT THIS WAS A 'MARKET' CREATED BY BANKSTERS!
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well, i will say here and now republicanS were part of the problem TOO, even Bush screwed up america.
 
Re: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton

ernst barkmann said:
oh, facts ?

I remember when i produced my facts to you in other thread ,you denounced them as lies..myths....so how is someone to refute you, when you reject, anything else...... ShAke your head, and call people names, and say they are dishonest...

Now can you tell me why i should play with you now???:2razz:
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Facts are generally things that people agree on. Like Barney Frank minority member of the GOPO House 1995-Jan 2007 could've ran nekkid through the halls of the GOP Majority House and not stopped ONE GOP bill right?

Or Clinton had a surplus, then the GOP passed a $700+ billion tax cut AFTER his first surplus, which Clinton vetoed to get 3 more. See logic would dictate credit goes to Clinton

See those things are FACT based

Gov't causing a world wide credit bubble and bust? Not so much
 
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dad2three2001 said:
facts are generally things that people agree on. Like barney frank minority member of the gopo house 1995-jan 2007 could've ran nekkid through the halls of the gop majority house and not stopped one gop bill right?

Or clinton had a surplus, then the gop passed a $700+ billion tax cut after his first surplus, which clinton vetoed to get 3 more. See logic would dictate credit goes to clinton

see those things are fact based

gov't causing a world wide credit bubble and bust? Not so much
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so tell me, how does clinton get good marks for his presidency, with a republican congress for the first time in 40 years for his 8 years, and reagan gets bad marks when he had a democrat house for his 8 years?
 
Re: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton

ernst barkmann said:
well, i will say here and now republicanS were part of the problem TOO, even Bush screwed up america.
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Not much really to do with Bush's regulator failure. Executive branch has FBI, SEC, GSE's, HUD, etc. ONLY in extreme circumstances will they overrule day to day operations. The GOP fault was more in agreeing to 2 UNFUNDED tax cuts, 2 UNFUNDED wars (though only Dems voted against Iraq, 60%) and expanding Medicare, UNFUNDED of course.


80% of the blame, IMO, goes to Bush. 20% to Greenspan... on the Bush subprime recession...

Yes, GOP did do more damage in other areas though too :(
 
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a351 said:
Between the two, Clinton. Not a fan of Warren's brand of populism.
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Hahahahahahah, you speak of populism while ignoring the elephant in the room.
 
Re: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton

dad2three2001 said:
not much really to do with bush's regulator failure. Executive branch has fbi, sec, gse's, hud, etc. Only in extreme circumstances will they overrule day to day operations. The gop fault was more in agreeing to 2 unfunded tax cuts, 2 unfunded wars (though only dems voted against iraq, 60%) and expanding medicare, unfunded of course.


80% of the blame, imo, goes to bush. 20% to greenspan... On the bush subprime recession...

Yes, gop did do more damage in other areas though too :(
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well i only see republican fault from your statement i don't see any democrat.
 
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American said:
Hahahahahahah, you speak of populism while ignoring the elephant in the room.
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You'll have to explain what you're attempting to say here.
 
Re: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton

ernst barkmann said:
well i only see republican fault from your statement i don't see any democrat.
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Yes, You know how to read. And why would Dems be at fault? They have ANY power in the Executive branch? HUD, F/F, FBI, SEC, etc?
 
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