View Poll Results: Who would you rather have as president?

Voters
59. You may not vote on this poll
  • Hillary Clinton

    19 32.20%
  • Elizabeth Warren

    40 67.80%
Page 9 of 42 FirstFirst ... 789101119 ... LastLast
Results 81 to 90 of 420

Thread: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton[W:336]

  1. #81
    Guru

    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Nevada
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    4,838

    Re: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton

    Poll would have been immensely improved with a "neither" option, thereby illustrating the overall popularity or lack thereof of each. It's difficult to conclude that a limited forced choice reveals much of anything.

  2. #82
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Where I am now
    Last Seen
    09-11-17 @ 03:00 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    16,386

    Re: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton

    Clinton is staggeringly overrated, IMO.

    But what does Warren stand for?

    Where does she stand on Gitmo, drone strikes, foreign policy in general, Obamacare, big government, the Fed, a balanced budget, bank bailouts, corporate bailouts, TARP (I assume she was for that), etc.?

  3. #83
    Black Is Smart
    Van Basten's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    The New New Frontier
    Last Seen
    11-06-17 @ 07:59 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    4,661

    Re: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton

    I don't know much about Warren outside of a Colbert Report interview, so I just voted Hilary.

    The next election looks like it won't be having any electrifying choices.
    "We have more responsibility than power, I think. The newspaper can create great controversies, stir up arguments within the community or discussion, can throw light on injustices....just as it can do the opposite. It can hide things and be a great power for evil." -- Rupert Murdoch, 1968

  4. #84
    Chews the Cud
    Amadeus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Benghazi
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Liberal
    Posts
    6,081

    Re: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    You're not having the same conversation I am. I'm not talking about the past or GLB. I'm talking about Warren & the CFPB/Dodd Frank, and the damage it is doing and will continue to do, which in the end will note bode well for the consumers they claim they want to protect.
    I think we're having the correct conversation.

    The Dodd-Frank Act - Council on Foreign Relations

    The Banking Act of 1933 ("Glass-Steagall") established the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) and several regulations, including preventing deposit-taking commercial banks from speculating on stocks. In 1934 the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) was created to regulate securities trading. But Glass-Steagall restrictions began to erode in the 1960s, until finally President Bill Clinton signed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999, which erased the barrier between commercial banks and investment banks.

    Financial innovation continued to move derivatives beyond their roots in agricultural futures, and the regulatory status of several types of derivatives was uncertain. The Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 explicitly stated that most "over-the-counter" (OTC) derivatives would not be regulated at the contract level, though dealers could be subject to firm level regulations. Banks tended to prefer OTCs to derivatives traded on exchanges such as the Chicago Board of Trade; OTCs could be customized to fit client needs, and they were often more profitable because competition was less perfect and prices were more opaque.

    In the wake of the global financial crisis and recession that began in 2007, attention turned toward perceived regulatory failures to restrain excessive risk taking and questionable practices. On July 21, 2010, Dodd-Frank was enacted.
    ...

    Consumer Financial Protection Bureau

    Many analysts cite the predatory lending practices of major home lenders, such as Countrywide Financial (purchased by Bank of America in 2008), as a contributing factor to the financial crisis. Countrywide, the country's largest home lender, was sued by several states in 2008 for predatory practices. As a settlement the company agreed to provide $8.4 billion in loan relief to some 400,000 borrowers. The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) was created to help prevent such industry abuses and to integrate federal regulations protecting individual consumers into one agency.

    Elizabeth Warren, then a special adviser instrumental in the bureau's formation, explained in House testimony that CFPB's overall goal was "making markets for consumer financial products and services work in a fair, transparent, and competitive manner." She also listed the bureau's priorities as follows: mortgages, credit cards, financial education, consumer complaints, information technology, and supervision, enforcement, and fair lending.

    The CFPB has drawn substantial criticism from Republican lawmakers, some of whom helped delay the Senate confirmation process of Warren and then Richard Cordray for director. GOP criticism largely centered on CFPB's powers; Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL) said the bureau's director had "unprecedented authority over the American people without any checks."

    Warren won the Massachusetts Senate seat in November 2011, and sits on that body's Banking Committee. Cordray was confirmed by the Senate after a lengthy confirmation battle in July 2013. Meanwhile, the broadness of CFPB's powers has been challenged by banking groups in court, and Republican lawmakers have introduced bills to eliminate CFPB or curtail its funding.
    Am I now caught up?

  5. #85
    Chews the Cud
    Amadeus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Benghazi
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Liberal
    Posts
    6,081

    Re: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Amadeus is living proof of what I already knew about a lot of the Warren champions. They have no idea what it is she's proposed/proposing. I don't champion a politician's words when I admittedly don't understand them. When I do that, all I'm doing is bobbing my head in agreement with talking points, rhetoric, and pandering.
    You said that Glass-Steagall was irrelevant to this conversation, and that the 2007-2008 crisis was irrelevant to Dodd-Frank. Why did you lie to me?

  6. #86
    Kinky
    tres borrachos's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    New England
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 08:50 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    39,034

    Re: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    I think we're having the correct conversation.



    ...



    Am I now caught up?
    Sure, we're all caught up. Now that you read some paragraphs we can discuss. What do you want to start with?

    RESPA
    TILA-RESPA
    The inclusion of the additional "A" in a very old regulation, and what it means to banks and consumers
    QM
    ATR

    How about we start with the one with the "A". That's an interesting one for anyone who knows about regulations, the CFPB, Dodd-Frank, and the impact on the consumers. Now that you're all caught up, you should be good.

  7. #87
    Kinky
    tres borrachos's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    New England
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 08:50 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    39,034

    Re: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    You said that Glass-Steagall was irrelevant to this conversation, and that the 2007-2008 crisis was irrelevant to Dodd-Frank. Why did you lie to me?
    Because I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about Elizabeth Warren and the CFPB going forward. I thought I made that perfectly clear. Do you need someone else to explain what I'm discussing? Maybe because you're not American you don't understand it, and because it wouldn't impact you, you don't need to understand it?

  8. #88
    Chews the Cud
    Amadeus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Benghazi
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Liberal
    Posts
    6,081

    Re: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Sure, we're all caught up. Now that you read some paragraphs we can discuss. What do you want to start with?
    How regulations on banks prevent people from making decisions for themselves. Start there.

  9. #89
    Kinky
    tres borrachos's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    New England
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 08:50 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    39,034

    Re: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    How regulations on banks prevent people from making decisions for themselves. Start there.
    No, you said you're all caught up, and you want to understand what I was saying. And since I never said whatever it is you have there (regulations on banks prevent people from making decisions for themselves - huh??), we need to go back to what I was talking about.

    So what's your opinion on the inclusion of the "A", and what it means now and going forward?

  10. #90
    Sage
    Perotista's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Georgia
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 11:20 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    17,923
    Blog Entries
    24

    Re: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    And the legislative partying - that we were not invited to, BTW, but are expected to roll over and pay for - continues!

    Out for a while - I need some fresh air, so I'm going to do some work outside. Back later ....

    Greetings, Pero.
    Got you, Yesterday, today and tomorrow I am spending most of my time out at Wat Buddha Bucha. A big meeting, conference with monks from all over the U.S. is going on and I am helping. Like you I took a break this afternoon to take care of the doggies at home, I am going back to the Wat in a few minutes. So I shall see you either later on tonight or perhaps tomorrow night. Sunday is a full day schedule.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

Page 9 of 42 FirstFirst ... 789101119 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •