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    Re: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Because I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about Elizabeth Warren and the CFPB going forward. I thought I made that perfectly clear. Do you need someone else to explain what I'm discussing? Maybe because you're not American you don't understand it, and because it wouldn't impact you, you don't need to understand it?
    Elizabeth Warren champions Glass-Steagall. Ergo, its fair game when talking about her. Or did you not know that?

    tres borrachos is living proof that Warren haters are have no real argument. They hide behind a pretence of superior economic knowledge, but when pressed, they can't answer basic questions about their ridiculous statements.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Amadeus is living proof of what I already knew about a lot of the Warren champions. They have no idea what it is she's proposed/proposing. I don't champion a politician's words when I admittedly don't understand them. When I do that, all I'm doing is bobbing my head in agreement with talking points, rhetoric, and pandering.
    Exactly, you got it and all of them do it. Some more than others. That reminds me of an old joke, How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips are moving.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Elizabeth Warren champions Glass-Steagall. Ergo, its fair game when talking about her. Or did you not know that?

    tres borrachos is living proof that Warren haters are have no real argument. They hide behind a pretence of superior economic knowledge, but when pressed, they can't answer basic questions about their ridiculous statements.
    I'm not talking about GLB and the overturning of Glass Steagall. I'm not sure how many more times I can say that. If you want to discuss that, fine, but it has nothing to do with what *I* said about Warren.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    No, you said you're all caught up, and you want to understand what I was saying. And since I never said whatever it is you have there (regulations on banks prevent people from making decisions for themselves - huh??), we need to go back to what I was talking about.
    What you said:

    Warren IMO would be very dangerous for this country. She thinks people are too stupid to make smart decisions, and she believes that the government should make decisions for people. It's downright frightening.
    Now answer. Or you can keep avoiding the question.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Exactly, you got it and all of them do it. Some more than others. That reminds me of an old joke, How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips are moving.
    And they all lie, too. Isn't that sad? It's so frustrating.

    Look, I get that they all want to keep their jobs, and move up the government food chain. Lots of people want to get ahead and stay ahead. Human nature, and all that.

    But for civilian voters to blindly accept the stuff that's pushed at them without having any knowledge of the subject matter is as appalling as the politicians doing it.

    Warren will do more damage to consumers than help. It may take 5-10 years for people to see it, but see it they will.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    What you said:



    Now answer. Or you can keep avoiding the question.
    Saying she thinks people are too stupid to think for themselves isn't the same thing as regulations prevent people from thinking for themselves. I have no clue where you connected them.

    Look, you said you're not even American, so why would I bother educating you on what Warren's ideas will due to consumer access to credit in this country? It won't impact you, and you don't even have a fundamental and small understanding of the CFPB and the banking environment in the United States. It would be like me pretending to understand the Canadian banking system, or getting worked up about comments made that have no impact on me whatsoever.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Saying she thinks people are too stupid to think for themselves isn't the same thing as regulations prevent people from thinking for themselves. I have no clue where you connected them.
    Seems we have disconnect. I'll just ask you plainly. Which decisions does Warren believe government should control? I don't need to have a black belt in economics to get a response to this question.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton

    I wouldn't vote for either, but if I had to I'd vote for Warren.
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    Tired of elections being between the lesser of two evils.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Seems we have disconnect. I'll just ask you plainly. Which decisions does Warren believe government should control? I don't need to have a black belt in economics to get a response to this question.
    Well, even though we aren't specifically discussing this, here is something quick and very simplified (it is very complex). There is something she was behind called QM/ATR. It's a result of the people who foolishly overextended themselves on their mortgages. QM/ATR severely limits a bank's ability to make a 1-4 family first mortgage loan to consumers. So as time goes on, credit will be more and more scarce, and you will see cries of "we can't get a home loan anymore from our bank/credit union", and the small banks and credit unions will look like the bad guys. There is a very little percentage of Americans who are too dumb to make smart decisions, so Warren, believing that all Americans are too dumb to make smart decisions, have put processes in place in the banks that make it so that there are guidelines to determine what is a good loan versus what is a bad loan. Most Americans didn't get themselves into trouble with overextension and signing contracts for loans they had no chance of repaying. So to reduce everyone down to the lowest, dumbest denominator is what Warren has done, and because the regulatory burden is simply too cumbersome and too expensive for most of the 6800 or so small banks, they will likely go out of the residential lending business altogether, will become easy prey for large banks, or will have to pay enormous fines for not following the CFPB system. Credit will dry up, and homebuyers will suffer.

    That is one very small and very oversimplified example.

    By the way - you keep mentioning economics. I'm not an economist. This is about banking regulations, not the economy.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren vs. Hillary Clinton

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Got you, Yesterday, today and tomorrow I am spending most of my time out at Wat Buddha Bucha. A big meeting, conference with monks from all over the U.S. is going on and I am helping. Like you I took a break this afternoon to take care of the doggies at home, I am going back to the Wat in a few minutes. So I shall see you either later on tonight or perhaps tomorrow night. Sunday is a full day schedule.
    How exciting! That's not something most people get to do! Have a great time, Pero.

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