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Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

Who is MOST to blame for the problems of African Americans?

  • GOP

    Votes: 5 5.1%

  • Black Leadership

    Votes: 22 22.4%

  • Democrats

    Votes: 15 15.3%

  • Other

    Votes: 56 57.1%
  • Total voters
    98
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Gimmesometruth said:
Are you trying to argue that racism in America today has no effect upon minority achievement?
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Nope, I never sain one single word about racism. My point is that some people choose to remain on thier circumstance and others choose to rise above it. The color of their skin doesn't matter one bit. You can live in the worst of situations and if you make the choices you need to rise above that situation, you can suceed. Race-baiters like yourself look only to place blame, but never to demand personal responsibility.
 
I'm not going to apologize for being born with white skin. It's not my fault anymore than any race being born. The rest is up for discussion.
 
Gathomas88 said:
Ironically, the provided source sinks your own argument.
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Your argument that the respondents to the survey are either lying or imagining their observed racism is not a negation of the existence of racism, it is simply a denial of it.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Your argument that the respondents to the survey are either lying or imagining their observed racism is not a negation of the existence of racism, it is simply a denial of it.
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How about you defining what you believe racism is and then maybe we can go from there because you seem to be confused on what true racism actually is.
 
grip said:
School me on how one acts white.. Is that a particular way.
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You tell me.

grip said:
There's a code of uniformity and achievement in today's society that is universal and if followed will most likely lead to success. Maybe even more so for minorities over Caucasians.
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RedAkston said:
How about you defining what you believe racism is and then maybe we can go from there because you seem to be confused on what true racism actually is.
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I played this game earlier and asked another conservative to define racism so that we could reach an agreement. I know how it is defined, I'm not the one in denial about it's existence, so I'll allow you to find a common definition that shows it does not exist in the US.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Actually, it was about exploitation. There were many Blacks that lived free...
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I actually disagree, but I'll let gimme define racism first and then respond.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Don't short quote me.
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I'l cut your quote to focus on what I want to discuss and ignore the filler.

If you want to hold that racism had nothing to do with slavery...fine....there you are.
 
Who do I blame?

People - especially non-'African' Americans - you won't stop going on and on and on and on about 'race' problems.

Maybe if they stop thinking of 'African' Americans as 'them' instead of 'us'...the problem would eventually fade away and America would become one giant melting pot.

I hope America one day is full of 'mutts'...no 'whites', no 'blacks', no 'latino's, no 'east asian's'...just 'mutts'.


Btw...I am 'white'.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
You tell me.
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There's two forms of racism. One is obvious and superficially stupid, the other is by far more insidious and damaging, because the perpetrators hide their intentions behind political correctness and elitism, and can even be supposed supporters, like liberals. The ladder is far harder to accuse and eradicate because they pretend to support the cause of anti bigotry, though they perpetuate it by constant accusations of any perceived slights that they can magnify and use out of proportion.
 
faithful_servant said:
...and they also have many similarities. You want look at those bits and pieces that support the furthering of the lack of responsibility among the people in this country who seem locked into a life of poverty and I want focus on those that show that they can rise above that poverty. Which one is building a future and which one is wallowing in the past???
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I'm want to focus on both and more. As your post makes clear, you see it in black and white. That either/or type thinking is flawed
 
grip said:
There's a code of uniformity and achievement in today's society that is universal and if followed will most likely lead to success. Maybe even more so for minorities over Caucasians.
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Gimmesometruth said:
You are saying that minorities need to act White.....which runs counter to the claim that racism in America is "insignificant".
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grip said:
School me on how one acts white.. Is that a particular way.
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Gimmesometruth said:
You tell me.
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grip said:
There's two forms of racism.....
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Wait wait wait.....you were going to tell me, or at least I thought my point was clear, of what the:

"code of uniformity and achievement"

....is?

Are you going to say what it is?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
I played this game earlier and asked another conservative to define racism so that we could reach an agreement. I know how it is defined, I'm not the one in denial about it's existence, so I'll allow you to find a common definition that shows it does not exist in the US.
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OK, I'll define racism and then we can compare how you define racism.

Racism | Define Racism at Dictionary.com

1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
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By this definition, racism is so infinitesimal in the US that it's not even worth mentioning. I'm not denying that there are those who feel that "their race" is superior and that they feel they have the right to "rule others", but there are so few that it's a non-issue.

2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
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What policies are based in the belief that one race is superior to another and that the "lesser" races should be "ruled"? We are governed by a representative republic, not a theocracy or a dictatorship, that would allow such a government.

3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
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Again, we are talking infinitesimal numbers that fall into this category. I would venture to say that the numbers of black who hate or are intolerant of whites is probably about the same as whites who hate or are intolerant of blacks if not more so. Of course this is only my perception and I don't have a nice little graph or a poll with pretty lines and colors on it. I base this on my own life experiences having lived in both the midwest and the deep south.

So how do you define racism?
 
RedAkston said:
I would venture to say that the numbers of black who hate or are intolerant of whites is probably about the same as whites who hate or are intolerant of blacks if not more so. Of course this is only my perception and I don't have a nice little graph or a poll with pretty lines and colors on it. I base this on my own life experiences having lived in both the midwest and the deep south.

So how do you define racism?
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OMFG!

Really, living in the South gave you the experience that racism more significant for whites than blacks, that the number of blacks who are racists outnumber whites who are racists.

When one believes that, there is no point in producing graphs....or research.

PS..

Racism
Is any action or attitude, conscious or unconscious, that subordinates an individual or group based on skin color or race. It can be enacted individually or institutionally.

Source: US Civil Rights Commission
 
Gimmesometruth said:
OMFG!

Really, living in the South gave you the experience that racism more significant for whites than blacks, that the number of blacks who are racists outnumber whites who are racists.

When one believes that, there is no point in producing graphs....or research.
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When one pursues a path of social research, it generally reaches the conclusion of the researcher...
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Wait wait wait.....you were going to tell me, or at least I thought my point was clear, of what the:

"code of uniformity and achievement"

....is?

Are you going to say what it is?
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I've seen it in action, that if you perform well in your profession and act in accordance with expected behavior, regardless of race, you'll be rewarded with advancement. Why is that so hard for you to accept.
 
RedAkston said:
OK, I'll define racism and then we can compare how you define racism.

Racism | Define Racism at Dictionary.com


By this definition, racism is so infinitesimal in the US that it's not even worth mentioning. I'm not denying that there are those who feel that "their race" is superior and that they feel they have the right to "rule others", but there are so few that it's a non-issue.


What policies are based in the belief that one race is superior to another and that the "lesser" races should be "ruled"? We are governed by a representative republic, not a theocracy or a dictatorship, that would allow such a government.


Again, we are talking infinitesimal numbers that fall into this category. I would venture to say that the numbers of black who hate or are intolerant of whites is probably about the same as whites who hate or are intolerant of blacks if not more so. Of course this is only my perception and I don't have a nice little graph or a poll with pretty lines and colors on it. I base this on my own life experiences having lived in both the midwest and the deep south.

So how do you define racism?
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I would add
poor treatment of or violence against people because of their race
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Racism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Actually, it was about exploitation. There were many Blacks that lived free...
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There were many blacks who lived free, but there were far more that did not here in the US at one point in time. Various races or groups of people have been viewed at one point in history as "not a human" or "less than human" and were "ruled" as slaves. It all started with the American Indians, then blacks, Chinese, Irish, Japanese, Hispanics and even women to an extent. The US has a long history of being intolerant and "racist" in their policies and actions - and no group has a better case for this than the American Indians. But those days are long gone and behind us. Slaves, predominantly black slaves for the purpose of this discussion, were exploited primarily for labor - because they were viewed as a "lesser race" and were thus ruled. It was wrong and most of us have seemed to move past that. But others, and some are in this very thread, want to see racism in everything because they don't understand what true racism is. The word "racist" and "racism" is thrown around so much that they wouldn't know what true racism is if it happened in their own living room.
 
grip said:
I've seen it in action, that if you perform well in your profession and act in accordance with expected behavior, regardless of race, you'll be rewarded with advancement. Why is that so hard for you to accept.
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I've also seen that in action. I have also seen the opposite in action

Why is that so hard for you to accept?
 
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